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Gar Forman's wife and Michael Reinsdorf's wife are best friends. They also think it's beneficial to get into the playoffs rather than going young and losing. I wouldn't expect anything to change.

Fred Hoiberg might be a bad coach. Personnel is a much bigger issue though. They've drafted really poorly and added a bunch of guys that don't even fit what the HC wants to do. Hoiberg might be terrible but how could anyone tell?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) Huh, I am not seeing anything as of yet. It's from Josh Jones @jrocke217

White Sox reportedly interested in Everth Cabrera according to twitter. I can't tweet right now.

Penn State had 2 losses. Ohio State had 1. This is easy to figure out. And if Penn State, why not Michigan?

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) I got talked into this type of league on nfl.com. Thinking of how to pick because even if I pick guys on a buy in the first round, I'll get x2 pts in second round. I think I've settled on: QB:Ryan QB: Rodgers RB: Bell RB:Elliott RB: Miller WR: Beckham WR: Hill WR: Edelman TE: Graham TE: Ebron K: Janikowski F: Ajayi I probably lose Ajay, Janikowski, and Ebron for sure after round 1.

I'm doing playoff fantasy football. Gist of it is: We get 12 players. 1 per playoff team. 2QB, 3RB, 3WR, 2TE, 1Flex, 1K. I'm trying to figure out the best strategy for this. This is what I've come up with initially: QB: Matt Ryan QB: Aaron Rodgers RB: Le'Veon Bell RB: Ezekiel Elliott RB: Jay Ajayi WR: Odell Beckham WR: Doug Baldwin WR: DeAndre Hopkins TE: Eric Ebron TE: Martellus Bennett K: Sebastian Janikowski F: Tyreek Hill Any thoughts?

If Glasnow + Newman ++ is the best deal right now then the Sox should keep Q into the season. Newman is very good but isn't really the type of headlining position player the Sox need. I'd wait if this is the best the Pirates will do.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Freese and Jaso are old veterans, neither of whom is very good. Bell was very productive for the major league team last year. He was a top prospect, so he has the pedigree. They are trying to win, so why would they give that up? Asking for them to include Bell is as pointless and trade-killing as asking for Mookie Betts was last July (okay, not as silly as asking for Betts, but it's the same problem). Or dare I use another analogy - as pointless as including Trayce in a trade for Frazier, when you had no center fielder to replace him (yes, Bell is better and has the pedigree Trayce lacked; and the Pirates have some sort of backup; but it's just not a move a contender will make). Pirates can't get him without one of Bell or Meadows IMO.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) I would take all these deals gladly but I doubt any of the other teams would be willing to. IF the other teams wouldn't be willing to do something like that, then Q probably stays honestly.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) Hypothetically speaking if Garrapolo was released from the Pats and placed in this years draft. Wouldnt you strongly consider taking him at 3 if you are the Bears? This is apples to oranges though. Garoppolo is older than the QB prospects and will cost a hell of a lot more in a contract. Would you rather have 21 year old QB making Peanuts or 26 year old QB making big $$?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) My point was the same point I have made before, but apparently you missed. 2018 is not going to be a year spent in competition. Anyone who is expecting that, is not being very realistic. No it probably won't be. But many of these young building blocks will be on the team and many more will be joining the team with potential looking upward for 2019. 2018 won't be a playoff year but it will be fun to watch.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) More than I will enjoy the next few years for sure. This statement is absolutely nuts to me, man. Really? You'd rather watch these patched together rosters of hope and prayer then legit stud prospects coming up at every turn? wow. Alright.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) First off, rebuilding was without question the right strategy for us. We were stuck in the middle with no money and a bottom five farm system. The choice to blow it up was a no brainer. Second, I am super excited to follow some of these young players. By June we could have a rotation that includes Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, & Fulmer. That's four young guys with TOR stuff. For diehard Sox fans, that already makes 80% games at least somewhat interesting. Plus we'll have an electric young arm in the bullpen in Burdi. By June we should also see the most exciting positional prospect the White Sox have had since Frank Thomas called up. I can't understate how excited I am to watch Moncada develop into the superstar he has a legit chance at becoming. I also can't wait to follow Anderson in his second season and see if he can become one of the top young SS in the game. And hopefully there are some other exciting positional prospects on the way between Quintana and/or other potential deals. Hell, I'm even excited to see if any of our C type prospects develop into anything. One or two of Tilson, Liriano, Engel, & May will get some serous playing time in the OF this year. Davidson could get a shot at DH or 3B. Right now Navarez looks to be in the mix at C. There are also a few interesting guys at Charlotte who might eventually get a chance in Delmonico & Peter. I'm not optimistic any of these guys will turn into solid major league players, but rebuilding gives us an opportunity to play these type of prospects and see if any stick. And finally I'm excited to cheer on our remaining trade assets in preparation for what should be an exciting 2017 deadline for us. Assuming Q is dealt in the next month, we could still have guys like Abreu, Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Petricka, Putnam, Gonzalez, Holland, etc. that could bring back varying degrees of value. There should be a second influx of prospects come July of 2017. So ultimately while 2017 is going to suck from a wins & losses perspective, there's a lot of things to be excited for if you're willing to consider other angles. And guess what, if the losing is too much for anyone, they can simply change the channel and not feel guilty. There is no expectation to win next year which means following the White Sox can finally be on our own terms. After putting in hundreds of hours into this team over the last few years and receiving nothing in return but regret & unfulfillment, that's a huge plus for me. Completely Agree with this take. I like following prospects though and potential international signings and stuff like that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) Eh. I have no interest in wasting major league money on an intentionally bad product, nor do I feel like getting excited about knowing this is going to be the worst time to be a Sox fan in decades. Hoping what might happen in five years isn't really a reason to be excited today for me. It is the route we have chosen and all, but it is so depressing. It isn't like you can sim this time period to see if it works like OOTP. You have to live through the misery. Bleh. I disagree. I think this is the best time to be a fan since about 2008. There's a realistic plan in place in which they are finally emphasizing the fact that scouting and developing talent is the most important thing. It's about damn time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) I think the Bucs could get it done without him...either Glasnow + Bell + a couple of their other top tier guys could do it as a 4 pack, or if they got a strong return for McCutchen whatever came back for him could do it as well. I don't think they'd be willing to do it without moving McCutchen though, based on the talk over the past week. Glasnow, Bell, Newman, and Hayes would be a ridiculous return for White Sox. I bet the Pirates would probably turn that down but maybe something close to it.

Chris Crawford is a prospect and draft writer for ESPN and Rotoworld. He has prospect guides for a very modest price (a few $$) that can be yours. They are fantastic. I can't post them but I will talk about what's in it and recommend them to all. 1. Yoan Moncada 2B: Hit 60, Power 55, Speed 70, Glove 50, Arm 60. Still the #1 prospect in baseball. Floor is an average regular with 20 SB's per year. Ceiling: MVP Candidate 2. Lucas Giolito RHP: 70FB, 70 CRV, 55CHG, 55 COMM. Crawford thinks people dropping Giolito down prospect lists are insane. Still best pitching prospect in baseball. 3. Michael Kopech RHP: 80 FB, 55SL, 50CHG, 45 COMM. Best FB in minor leagues. Ceiling: TOR Floor: Dominant Reliever 4. Reynaldo Lopez: Electric stuff. Crawford thinks he's probably a reliever but chance to start. 5. Zach Collins C. All Star if he can stay at C. A lot better defensively than he was early in college. 6. Alec Hansen RHP: If command can be fringe/average, he could be very good. 7. Dane Dunning RHP: Good body. Mid-Rotation Upside. 8. Luis Alexander Basabe CF: Offensive skill-set very volatile. All-Star Ceiling but Floor of 4th/5th OF 9. Zach Burdi: Best Relief PItching prospect in baseball 10. Carson Fulmer RHP: Bullpen. Crawford has never really been a fan. 11. Spencer Adams: Only 20. Really high floor of back-end SP. 12. Charlie Tilson: Big fan. Probably 4th OF but could have "long big league career" 13. Jordan Stephens RHP: "If 45 Changeup can get to average, he'll be a big riser". 14. Jameson Fisher: Loves hit tool. Probably DH or 1B though with 40 Throw, GL, and Speed. 15. Adam Engel CF: Legit 80 runner. Doesn't think he'll hit enough to let speed play. 16. Micker Adolfo OF 17. Jake Peter: Thinks he'll help White Sox this season 18. Jordan Guerrero LHP 19. Alex Call: "If he can stay in CF, this ranking will look foolish" 20. Luis Curbelo: Big fan of draft pick. Probably 2B with power/speed combo.

It was mentioned on MLBN this morning that Basabe will be in the top 100 when it gets updated for MLB.com

Getting Torres and Frazier is crazy talk. Getting one of them is probably a requirement for 4 years of Q though. Torres/Rutherford ++ would be fantastic deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) Things like this are where people take stats a little too literally. Sure he put up a .685 OPS. He did it at age 21 in High A ball, where he was nearly two years under the league average age. He struck out at a pretty low rate. He has insane speed. He has average power to go along with plus tools across the rest of the board. Would you rather take Judge and Rutherford + or Mateo and Rutherford +?

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) That's a pretty great deal, buying low on Severino is vintage White Sox. Frazier and Mateo make a ton of sense for a team obviously trying to build up the middle. Compare it to the rumored Astros proposal Frazier = Tucker Mateo > Martes Severino > Musgrove Severino has immense talent, and his high ERA last year corresponded with an identical FIP as his hysteria inducing 2015 campaign. Perhaps in a vacuum Severino and Musgrove are equal (maybe even a slight edge to Musgrove), but to the White Sox there is a distinct appeal Severino has. And for those saying the Sox need more position players, well here is one of the best OF prospects in the game who will break camp in AAA and another MIF prospect (can never have too many) who has literally 80 speed. I'm not a fan of Mateo. .300 OBP. I think Martes is a #2 starter. I'd rather have Martes. I like the Yanks potential headliners better though.

I proposed something like OF Aaron Judge, OF Blake Rutherford, RHP Dillon Tate, and SS Wilkerman Garcia for Quintana. I think the Yanks would do that probably. I think Rutherford is a potential superstar and I'd be willing to take a chance on Judge's power potential 25 years old or not. White Sox also really liked Rutherford and Tate in their draft years. I'd be in favor of working something around Blake Rutherford but I understand those not in favor.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) They have bigger needs than QB. Got absolutely bulldozed by Ty Montgomery, cant make a play in the secondary and the Leno/Massie pairing at OT could use a new player. Falk or Watson should be available in the 2nd, go another direction with #4 overall. I dont know whether that means trading down and picking up another 1st rounder in 2018 or just flat out taking Jonathan Allen or Cam Robinson at #4. Cam Robinson is a late 1st round guy. Possibly not even a 1st rounder.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Nice loss, Fox is so getting fired He's not getting fired. They're competing almost every week with 3rd and 4th string players.

I see we are back to discussing the possibility of acquiring guys that aren't being traded......