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QUOTE (kevo880 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 01:04 PM) Rosenthal's latest blurb: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/price-h...osenthal-121515 "WHY WHITE SOX MIGHT BALK AT FRAZIER Frazier certainly is a fit at third base and in the middle of the lineup for the White Sox; newly acquired Brett Lawrie could move to second, giving the Sox upgrades at two positions. The problem is, the Reds want significant prospects for two years of Frazier, and the White Sox's system remains relatively thin. Better the team should explore the open market -- if it can find the right solution. A free agent such as second baseman Howie Kendrick would cost the Sox a second-round draft pick; their first-round pick, No. 10 overall, is protected. But Kendrick also has turned down $15.8 million from the Dodgers, and at 32 soon could enter his decline phase. Third baseman David Freese might make more sense -- he probably would be more affordable than Kendrick and the Angels did not make him a qualifying offer, removing the additional cost of a pick." The White Sox would not forfeit their 2nd rounder. It'd be the Samardzija pick that they forfeit which is currently #29 and climbing.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) Lmao, this is so much garbage. Chris Carter has a career slashline of .217/.312/.452, and last year he hit .199 with 151 strikeouts in 460 ABs following 182 and 212(!!!!!) strikeouts. Frazier has never struck out more than 139 times in a season and his slash line is .257/.321/.463 and plays a position competently, unlike Carter who is a DH that is a dinosaur in the modern major leagues(3 outcome) Your dream team would suck so hard Frazier and Carter do have pretty much the same OPS though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) The way I see it if you can afford it you have to send your kid to private schools. For instance I went to Brother Rice two years and Benet Academy two years. Aside from Rice being all boys, what a great place to be. Great great teachers; hard as hell classes. I actually had to take Latin there and learned Latin for gosh sake. If you want to be a doctor ... what better place for Biology, Physics, Algebra, all those classes. One place that might be better? Benet. What a tremendous school. Great teachers; very difficult coursework (until senior year which was easy like most senior year). Both schools stressed COLLEGE and college prep work. Parents have to have their eye on best preparing their kids for college. The best places IMO have to be private schools. Pay that $10,000 a year tuition baby. It's worth it. (Just my take). As far as Vegas talk ... if u are gonna live in Sin City (yes it's Sin City) then at least move to the BEST school district. Give your kids a chance to not fall into oblivion (drug wise and academic wise). This is insulting. I went to public school in Lockport and teach in one now. Everything you mentioned there is just as good if not better in most of the good public schools in the state. A lot of really good teachers can't afford to stay in private schools forever either. If you live in Chicago, then yes, private school is the way to go. But by me, if you live in Lockport, New Lenox, Lemont, Orland Park, Naperville, etc, there is absolutely no reason to pay the extra $$ to go to private school. Go to public school and spend the $$ on college. I've always thought that I'd rather pay extra for property taxes in a good district and send my kids to public school rather than possibly living in an area with not great schools (Plainfield, Bolingbrook) and spending that extra $$ on private school.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) If this means the Sox are standing firm on not dealing Anderson/Fulmer/Rodon/Q then this is excellent news. There are better ways to upgrade the offense then dealing a potential cornerstone. They've never been willing to deal those guys. That's been established.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:20 AM) while i agree that the AL is open, but wide?? however there are fav's still going to rule the AL. but man, the NL is getting all the press, b/c they are doing to most to improve. i believe if the sox makes some more smart moves, at least AL central may be a tight battle with the sox knocking on the door. good post The NL has 8 teams (Giants, Dodgers, DBacks, Cubs, Pirates, Cardinals, Mets, Nationals) battling for 5 spots. The AL isn't like that right now.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 06:58 AM) While these projections may not mean much, I think they do suggest our division is wide open. I personally think going for it makes sense for us, as long as the two prospects important to 2017 (Anderson & Fulmer) aren't required to get us there. I actually think the entire AL is wide open.

I thought that Carlos Gonzalez and Todd Frazier were both guys that wouldn't cost Anderson/Fulmer.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) I just hope it's not the guy whose last name rhymes with ONGEY or the guy that Bernstein keeps pushing on the radio. I think Bernstein Rips Hawk so much because he wants the job to go to some former intern who Bernstein likes a lot. Rongey/Stone would be a much better broadcast than Hawk/Stone actually

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:58 AM) This thread reminds me of the time people here didn't want to give up Gordon Beckham in a trade for Adrian Gonzalez. It shouldn't because Todd Frazier isn't anywhere near as good as Gonzalez was then.

QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 09:24 AM) He couldn't have been any worse than La Roche was. I just feel we went in the wrong direction last year. Too many veterans and not enough options. I spent 2 months praying for an injury last season so that we could see someone different come up. I don't think we gave Wilkins enough time, how can you judge Wilkins to be a classic 4A player after 45 plate appearances. By your logic Jim Thome was a classic 4A player with his .205 and 34 strikeouts in 131 plate appearances in his second season or Jose Bautista with his .205 average, 40 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances. There are loads of examples of players who struggled when they first came up, to judge a guy as a classic 4A player after 45 plate appearances is harsh. He absolutely could have and would have been worse than LaRoche was. Wilkins sucks and will soon be playing in Japan.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Frazier is worth Tim Anderson, and probably more. 1) it's two years of control at nice prices 2) he's an offensive star 3) he's very good defensively at third 4) Anderson has not solidified defense and has a K% problem. In so many other systems he would not be the #1 prospect. Use the #1-of-our-system tag to move TA for more than he's worth He's not worth Anderson or Fulmer. He's a .320 lifetime OBP guy with big power. He only has 2 years of control as well. Trading top prospects for guys like that is what gets teams in trouble. He's exactly the type of hitter that would come here and underperform. I'd be down for something that doesn't include Anderson/Fulmer but they'll probably get a better package from someone else.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Dec 13, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) I listen to the score interviews on podcast, and I don't think I heard anyone (host or Bears analysts) criticize him last week after missing two chip shots. I used to listen to ESPN 1000 full show podcasts daily, and Jeff Dickerson was on the Bears' beat, and he has a man crush on RG. So, like I said, I doubt they'll be too hard on him. But, it could be that I don't know the Chicago media very well. Boers hammered Gould all week.

I actually think LaRoche is a good bounce back candidate. The problem with having LaRoche is that Melky is in the OF rather than DH

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) Unfortunately, I agree with you. Looks like a top 5 draft pick in 2017. So you think the Sox will be the 5th worst team in baseball next year, even though they've already upgraded 2 spots and it's only December 11th? This board is absolutely maddening sometimes.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 06:34 PM) I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what plans we have for next year... We're not going to win anything. 2017 opens our window - at the earliest. 2018 is more likely. After being in the optimist crowd for the last decade, I've finally joined the dark side. I actually disagree. The Sox were 5 wins away from .500 last year with the worst offense in the league. I think they just picked up at least 3 wins alone at 3B. Make a couple more marginal upgrades and they should battle for a 2nd wildcard honestly.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) This is way too broad a statement. Particularly in a season (perhaps the only season in the coming years) in which the first round pick is protected. Losing a #30 draft pick to sign Justin Upton or Yoenis Cespedes for 5 or 6 or more seasons is certainly justified and a good idea. Whoever is drafted at that spot or later is guaranteed to be a much worse player than either of those guys. You don't know that. And it's not just about the #26 pick in the draft. It's about the overall draft flexibility that having that many picks gives you. What if one of the top pitchers in college goes down with Tommy John this year? That pitcher very well could fall to the late 20's and be sitting there for the White Sox to take in that spot. I'd be willing to sacrifice that pick for Davis/Upton but we have no idea how good the player chosen there will be and that's not really the point anyway.

Fair points in this thread. Elite closers are being way overvalued by teams. That's the only reason why I asked.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) Imo, Montas is just 22 and should have a chance to fail as a starter before moving to the pen. To date, Montas has not failed as a starter and should be in Charlotte's rotation in '16. Again, he's just 22! Have a little patience Sox fans. I'm patient enough. But he has 45 command and no 3rd pitch.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Was listening the ESPN1000 Fred Huebner's show today. His partner - whose name I did not catch - is an avowed Cub fan. the conversation was about the Sox, and what they should be doing to improve their team. At one point Huebner's partner offered up the idea that the Sox "would jump" at a Cub offer of Baez and Soler for Quintana and Eaton; though he then said the Cubs "would never consider" such a deal. I almost drove off of the road. In my mind, that thinking epitomizes many Cub fans. They are beginning to believe the hype. There is no way, at least IMO, that the Sox would be interested in that sort of deal. It certainly undersells Quintana's value, and almost disregards Eaton. Just thought I would share. Don't listen to Mike Murphy

Most people always say that a starting pitcher is more valuable than a relief pitcher. I almost always agree with that premise. Many people don't think that Montas can start (no 3rd pitch, bad command, body type). I think there's a chance he could be really good as a late inning reliever though. After seeing the deals for Ken Giles and Craig Kimbrel, would the White Sox be better off using Montas in the big league bullpen this year or letting him start at Charlotte? Isn't there a chance that Montas could be as dominating out of the pen as someone like Giles?

The Astros could have Kris Bryant and Carlos Rodon right now.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) Kinda fun do to this in the winter... I put together my guesses as to the affiliate rosters. Looks to me like BHAM and KAN will have the most exciting teams, though the Dash rotation looks good and Charlotte's lineup can do some damage. Here are my guesses, then I'd love to hear thoughts as a weekend discussion topic... CHARLOTTE C Kevan Smith 1B Danny Hayes 2B Joey DeMichele SS Tim Anderson 3B Nick Delmonico OF Jason Coats OF Jacob May OF Scott Hairston DH Matt Davidson B1 Rob Brantly © B2 Leury Garcia B3 Steve Lombardozzi B4 Eudy Pina SP Frank Montas SP Chris Beck SP Scott Carroll SP Matt Lollis SP Nik Turley* RP Daniel Webb RP Miguel Chalas RP Kyle Hansen RP Cody Winiarski RP Onelki Garcia* RP Zach Phillips* RP Will Lamb* -- BIRMINGHAM C Omar Narvaez 1B Keon Barnum 2B Jake Peter SS Eddy Alvarez 3B Trey Michalczewski OF Courtney Hawkins OF Adam Engel OF Keenyn Walker DH Nick Basto B1 Jeremy Dowdy © B2 Brian Fletcher B3 Marcus Lemon SP James Dykstra SP Tyler Danish SP Brandon Brennan SP Brian Clark* SP Carson Fulmer SP Colin Kleven (6 man rotation) RP Matt Cooper RP Peter Tago RP Robin Leyer RP Brad Goldberg RP Andre Wheeler* RP Jake Cose RP Michael Ynoa -- WINSTON-SALEM C Brett Austin 1B Cody Daily 2B Ryan Leonards SS Cleuluis Rondon 3B John Ziznewski OF Louie Lechich OF Michael Suiter OF Mason Robbins DH Zach Fish © B1 Sean O'Connell © B2 Michael Danner B3 Toby Thomas B4 Christian Stringer SP Jordan Guerrero* SP Spencer Adams SP Thaddius Lowry SP Zach Thompson SP Luis Martinez RP Kelvis Valerio RP Jacob Morris RP Connor Walsh RP Tanner Mendonca RP David Trexler RP Manny Martinez RP Ryan Riga* -- KANNAPOLIS C Seby Zavala 1B Corey Zangari 2B Bradley Strong SS Danny Mendick 3B Johan Cruz OF Jackson Glines OF Landon Lassiter OF Tyler Sullivan DH Frank Califano B1 Casey Schroeder © B2 Louis Silverio B3 Grant Massey B4 Ethan Gross SP Yosmer Solorzano SP Jordan Stephens SP Aaron Bummer* SP Brandon Quintero SP Brandon Magallones RP Tanner Banks* RP Lucas Shearrow RP Drew Hasler RP Jonathan Frebis* RP Matt Ball RP Danny Dopico RP Alex Katz* -- REPEATING ROOKIE BALL Jacob Cooper Sikes Orvis Dante Flores Jake Jarvis Victor Velazquez Micker Adolfo Antonio Rodriguez Jake Fincher David Walker Daniel Gonzalez Christopher Comito Yelmison Peralta Dylan Barrow Taylore Cherry Ryan Hinchley* Jack Charleston Ryan Powers Victor Done Jaider Rocha* Richard McWilliams Jhoandro Alfaro Amado Nunez Felix Mercedes Maiker Feliz Hanleth Otano Joxelier Garcia Andres Sanchez Kevin Escorcia Yeuris Guerrero -- INJURED Josh Richmond Nolan Sanburn Jace Fry* Josh Goosen-Brown Andrew Mitchell Blake Hickman -- THE ONES I COULDN'T FIND A HOME FOR Jeremy Farrell INF Mark Blackmar RHSP Michael Johnson INF Jefferson Olacio LHRP Zach Isler RHRP Tony Bucciferro RHP? Tyler Barnette RHP? Matt Heidenreich RHSP Chadd Krist C Ethan Wilson INF Nolan Earley OF Brannon Easterling RHSP Do you think Brennan will remain in the rotation? The White Sox protected him for Rule 5. Do you think there's any chance that they fast track him as a reliever?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) They'd have to include Trey M. as well. That's fine. I'd move something like Montas, Micah, and Trey for Frazier. Not sure that's the splash Cincinnati needs though

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 03:06 AM) What would it take to get Frazier if we're not including Anderson? Get it done. Not sure. They are rumored to want position players. The problem is the Sox just don't have much in the system to deal. Sox have a few guys at the top that are too much to deal for a guy like Frazier. I think the 15-30 range players in Sox system are similar to most teams. The problem is the back half of the top 10. Most teams trade from that inventory and the Sox just don't have those guys yet. Unless Cincy took something headlined by Avi, Micah, Montas, a trade probably can't happen.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 08:11 AM) I honestly believe Theo/Jed are bluffing. Heyward is such a question mark in CF. There is no way they go into the season with Schwarber and Soler as the corner OFs. That D would be bad. I still think Heyward is their RF on opening day and Soler (or Baez) is dealt for a CF. Completely Agree here. I fully expect Heyward to be in RF when the season starts. They'll acquire someone in CF.