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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) This is why Sox fans can't have a rebuild. Johnson was up for a month, and has already turned into a garbage throw in for a bigger deal. The kid will get his chance here, and isn't going anywhere. I agree and disagree. I don't think he's a garbage throw-in by any means. I also believe he is going to get traded in the offseason as part of a package for a different position player.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) We need to take into consideration that Heyward has been the best defensive RF in baseball and is going to be entering his physical prime over the course of this contract. If there was ever a guy to hand 150+ mil too it's him. It is? Even if offense is what the White Sox need the most and he doesn't really provide a ton of it?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) $100 million will probably be a massive underestimate. I think I did the exercise a couple pages ago, might have been another thread though - in fWAR terms he compares solidly to guys like Cano and Fielder who got >$200 million contracts at ages older than Heyward. Yes, his value is more defensive than theirs, but he's been more consistently excellent than Fielder when he cleared the $200 million plateau. His value is mostly defense. The White Sox can't afford to make a move like that unless Reinsdorf plans on having a $250 million payroll.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) Not picking on you, just adding some food for thought, but when it's worded that way, I think Tom Seaver gets the nod. Yeah. Not when he was with the team though but alright. Fair point.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 10:35 AM) I would have to agree but when a big money acquisition for a key role like a middle of the lineup doesn't produce as expected it really sucks because it handicaps everything for that 4 year period since the Sox were basically stuck with him and the end result is a team that won't win anything for that 4 years. Hate is definitely too strong a word for but if you love winning baseball you end up hating everything that Dunn represented , a big money failure that prevented the Sox from doing much of anything to win. It was 4 years $56 million. Not terribly huge money. Sox act like a small market team in this instance though. Teams have way worse contracts than Dunn's ever was.

Yes. Chris Sale is the best pitcher to ever play for the White Sox.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) Why not pay Heyward? He'll improve the line up and we all know he would make a huge difference defensively. If we get a top 10 pick, I'd gladly give up a 2nd round pick for Heyward. Remember, we'll most likely get the comp pick for Jeff as well, so 2 picks in the top 30-35. I'm just not a huge fan for that much $$. He's great defensively but has a slugging % of .440. wRc+ of 116 is good but with 11 homers, I'm not paying guy like that $100 million and giving up a top 65 pick. I know that we'll have a comp pick too. I want the team to use the 1st rounder, the comp pick, and the 2nd rounder. Stop giving up draft picks.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) Why would you rather have Fister or Latos? I just don't want to go with 5 LHP in the rotation. Fister/Latos will be cheaper.

Apparently the Indians acquired Michael Choice http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rangers-send-...jEzXzEEc2VjA3Nj

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 04:05 PM) I'm not really sure why. We've become less and less religious over time. Church scandals and extremists haven't really given religion a good name the last few decades. Communities used to be based around their local church, but that's not the case anymore. Churches and congregations are dying. Literally, the audiences are just old people in a lot of places. Once they go, the Church will too. edit: and others have said, you're on a message board on the internet. Members here are mostly "young," mostly affluent liberal people, i.e., the ones most likely to not be religious. Yes exactly. There are many people who would vote yes. Most of them can't turn a computer on though. Dammit. There I go offending people again.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Beneventi sucks, he regressed a lot his senior year and I believe he was even benched. Not what one would call big ten caliber. Yeah Beneventi is bad. I didn't even realize that he ended up at Western.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:49 AM) At this point, if you're rooting for the best pick available or a protected pick, just root for 5th in the division. Division games are 80% of the schedule after this week. Exactly. I'm not rooting for losses this year. I just don't care when they lose. With 3 picks in the top 65 or so, should be interesting draft regardless.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:43 PM) An awful start for Montas. He needs to be trade bait this offseason. If Montas and Micah gets you a long-term starting position player then sure. If not, I wouldn't mind seeing Jones, Montas, and Robertson at the back end of the bullpen. Still a lot of people who think Montas can start though.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) The most logical place for Micah is DH. With LaRoche here for 2016, he'd have to wait until 2017. I think he'll be traded by then. Sanchez's emergence as an elite defender and above average hitter makes it a very real possibility. It's not though because he doesn't have enough power. You can't have Micah, Saladino, and Sanchez in the lineup every day playing at U.S. Cellular Field. Where is the power coming from?

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:29 AM) Wow. That escalated quickly. Not really. Sanchez is the 2B for the near future in my opinion. Saladino can play SS until Anderson is ready. I don't really see a spot for Micah either.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) This year is actually much better than next year. If they get a top 10 pick, I would love for them to go after JHey and Kazmir. CF Eaton RF Heyward 1B Abreu DH LaRoche LF Cabrera SS Ramirez/Anderson 2B Sanchez C ? 3B Saladino SP Sale SP Quintana SP Kazmir SP Rodon SP Danks/Johnson CL Robertson RP Jones RP Montas RP Petricka RP Putnam RP Duke I would rather have Fister or Latos than Kazmir. No thanks to paying Heyward over $100 million. I want to keep all of the picks next year.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:27 PM) I think Micah will be used as trade bait to acquire a 3B. I agree with this.

I'd like to see them dump Soto and give the at-bats to Rob Brantly. If they could deal Ramirez I'd consider that too but they'll probably explore that in the offseason.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) With this season seemingly over, I've been mostly interested in trying to figure out how the Sox will be moving forward as an organization. While this season has been largely a disappointment to myself and other Sox fans, I can't help but think a few tweaks this offseason can have the White Sox seriously contending for the playoffs next season. In order to support that argument, I decided to take a look at our second half numbers: Adam Eaton .308/.408/.462/.870 in 169 AB Jose Abreu .293/.373/.571/.944 in 166 AB Carlos Sanchez .304/.340/.463/.803 in 144 AB Geovany Soto .325/.438/.700/1.138 in 48 AB Trayce Thompson .522/.560/.957/1.517 in 25 AB Alexei Ramirez .275/.311/.472/.783 in 151 AB Melky Cabrera .291/.331/.483/.814 in 164 AB Tyler Saladino .247/.283/.340/.623 in 162 AB JB Shuck .281/.361/.438/.799 in 37 AB Avisail Garcia .261/.323/.394/.717 in 155 AB Tyler Flowers .205/.263/.273/.536 in 97 AB Adam LaRoche .191/.218/.313/.531 in 119 AB Some observations from the numbers: -Some players (Eaton, Soto, Sanchez, Thompson) currently have unsustainable BABIPs, so those numbers should go down some, but it's interesting to note the surge in offense from both Eaton and Sanchez in the 2nd half. Eaton is drawing twice as many walks as he did in the first half of the season. -Eaton's defensive score has gotten significantly better in the second half (he went from a -6.1 to a -2.9). Still not great for a premium defensive position, but it's good to see the improvement. -Tyler Flowers offensive numbers are down across the board in the 2nd half, most noticeably his SLG% is below .300. To compare, Geo Soto has been worth 1.2 wins more than Flowers over the second half alone. While the sample size may still be small, you can start to gather that we may be seeing some players solidify their positions for next year. I think Sanchez's second half has really cemented his likelihood of being the opening day starter at second next year while Flowers abysmal second half has shown that he is nothing more than a back up at this point. I am fine keeping him as a back up and personal catcher for Sale, but his defense and framing just doesnt make up for the negative value of his bat. Will they choose to put the position off another year and have Geo come back? Wouldn't be the worst idea, but I dont see Geo taking anything other than a starter role next season. Another big question is what the Sox will be doing with Alexei. While his second half numbers are much more in line with his usual type of production, Alexei has made far too many mental mistakes this season and just doesnt seem as engaged as he previously has. With that said, I think moving Saladino over to SS as place holder for Anderson seems to make the most sense for next season. That leaves the Sox with a gaping hole at third and while Saladino has played elite defense over there so far, his bat really doesnt justify keeping him there. As someone on the page has already pointed out, his numbers dont look nearly as bad when compared to the mlb avg of SS in comparison to the mlb avg 3B. Last but not least, I really think Avi needs to go. Trayce may not be the answer, but the White Sox really need to find that out over the next month. Avi still has not proven to be anything other than a below replacement level player since he came into the league. The "potential" may still be there for some folks, but it's really hard to justify keeping him out there when he is so obviously a weak link on this team. His defense and base running are absolutely awful in conjunction with his hitting. We are stuck with LaRoche, so hopefully Hahn is smart enough to find a cheapish bat to platoon with him next season in the DH role. I think Flowers is more valuable to this team than Soto is though. Rodon's numbers alone justify keeping Flowers to let him catch Sale/Rodon. I'd definitely try to upgrade from Soto though and keep Flowers as the backup. The White Sox course of action will definitely be to tweak and try and win in 2016 though.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) I was raised in a Protestant church but attended a Catholic university. I took a couple pretty in depth theology courses as part of my requirements. Between the ages of 19 and 25, I spent a lot of time wavering between full belief in Christianity, agnosticism, and general belief in God without believing any any specific religion. I finally made my way back to Christianity, but with the caveat that I don't fully subscribe to any particular Catholic or Protestant organizations belief system. I see too many inconsistencies and hypocrisies in any given church to claim to be a part of that church. I believe that the accounts of the bible from the time of Moses through the time of Jesus are more or less accurate. I do believe that some of the more conservative and controversial rules for living set out in the bible (no sex outside of marriage, no divorce, no homosexuality) are the way God wants us to live, but I also believe that those things should only be preached to church members in closed settings. I don't believe Christians should be ranting about these things in public or that it is there place to attempt to exert political influence on these issues. I don't believe those are effective ways to reach people, which is what I believe that God ultimately wants us to do. So God doesn't want gay people to get married? Interesting.

I'm an atheist. Don't believe in a higher being. I believe that it's a "fairy tale" as well but I don't begrudge people who believe differently.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Because he signed a big contract then promptly put up one of the worst seasons in the history of baseball. He sort of redeemed himself sure, but it's pretty easy to understand the hatred here. Sure if you're 13 years old. Hatred is reserved for guys like Brett Myers in my mind.

I don't really understand the hatred for Dunn. Never have. He vastly underachieved as a member of the Sox but he never did anything else that was worthy of hate.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Pitchers I'd be interested in that could come pretty cheap: Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Doug Fister Hitters wise, I'd definitely go after Jason Heyward or Justin Upton I would not go after Upton or Heyward. Not in the business of giving up draft picks anymore. I'd like Fister though on a decent deal. Hopefully, they could move Danks' final year and go with Sale, Quintana, Fister, Rodon, and Erik Johnson. Would be a nice rotation.

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) If Robin is coming back, then I'm sorry, but there will be no point for me to invest in any way, shape or form into next season. It will free up a whole lot of free time for myself without the Sox. Maybe I'll get to those hobbies or never realized dreams I've never started. So in that way, thank you Sox. But a big F U to Jerry. You'll still watch.