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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:38 PM) So is Abreu a phenom or just another guy? I still love him and expect him to homer every time up, but ... Just another guy? He's an .800 OPS player with nobody else in the lineup and he's playing injured.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:32 PM) I expect us to lose every game now so it's really not so painful. Did anybody hear Hawk tonight say he wasn't gonna give up til the Sox were eliminated cause there's too much talent? That's really an indictment (hint hint?) of Robin. If we got the talent, then where are the wins? We should be contending apparently. It's actually the opposite. The Sox are so far worse than the rest of the league offensively and defensively. They have a -WAR. That's awful. The fact that they are 42-48 instead of 20 games under speaks to how good the pitching is. The fact that they have the record they do is actually a positive for Robin.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) he could have come up next year after the deadline. Is he learning his 3rd pitch? Is he learning to gain command? No, he's pitching for the highest odds to get the next man out...so Cooper/Ventura win 76 games instead of 72. No reason to be going through this part of his development in the majors. Disagree. That change up wouldn't have develop in AAA because we would have dominated with the fastball and slider.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:32 PM) What's better? Struggling up in the majors and gaining experience or going 7-8 innings consistently in the minors and looking special? Not sure. He's definitely looked pretty pedestrian thus far in the bigs. I don't have a violent opinion on this either way. He struggles with command. He had a 3.69 FIP coming into tonight. He hasn't looked pedestrian at all. He looks like a top of the rotation starter for many years to come.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) They're wasting service time on this nonsense. Poor asset management all the way around. Not only would he preserve service time in Charlotte, he'd get better coaching and would be pitched to develop, not to be better than Noesi. He's not wasting service time. He came up after the deadline. They control him for 6 more seasons after this one. It's fine.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Bowden's insider position rankings for trade value has Shark at #8 behind Casher, Ross, and Kazmir. Jon Heyman says this of the White Sox: If the White Sox wind up selling, Jeff Samardzija would be the big piece. The Blue Jays are one of a few that could be a fit, but the Dodgers seem to view him as a fallback candidate and the Royals appear to like others a bit more. The Yankees could be another fit. He'd make sense there as the Notre Dame football star doesn't mind a big stage. Here's the article: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-he...-via-jon-heyman Bowden said: 8. Jeff Samardzija, RHP, Chicago White Sox: Has bounced back from his early struggles -- he has a streak of eight consecutive starts of seven innings of more -- and is ready to be dealt. 7. Alexei Ramirez, SS, Chicago White Sox: Ramirez's trade value is at an all-time low because of his absolutely dismal season. 16. Gordon Beckham, IF, White Sox: His ability to play three infield positions helps his value as a bench player. No mention of LaRoche or any of the relief pitchers.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) Has Cooper worked with Rodon at all replicating his release point? Because he hasnt seemed to make any progress since he was called up In his defense, it's tough when you don't get consistent starts. He'll be fine.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) To me though...all of those are setting up long-term except for the "taking a hypothetical college hitter at #6 and overpaying him" (which of course only works if there is a worthy college hitter at #6 who somehow falls). A comp pick isn't worth nothing, but taking the comp pick is 100% a "long term move". Even in the case of trading a guy like Gage said...how much would Adams bring in a trade right now? He's not chopped liver, but he's so far from the big leagues that he's not going to bring back much on his own, and he's about as good of a look as you can get from guys outside the first round. Oh, and we'd also be paying an extra $4 million to keep Samardzija around this season...and denying Johnson a chance to work in the big leagues for 2 months like he should get, on top of all the other things. It's just a pretty rotten call to make. I mixed it up. The slot amount would be around $4 million. I meant that you could go under there. My bad. Points well taken. I just don't think the comp pick is the worst thing in the world if they don't get offered something more valuable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Just so I say it again...a comp pick is an abjectly terrible return for a player like this. When I looked through the comp picks over recent drafts, I think a reasonable result of a comp pick is a player with a 50% chance of making the big leagues and about a 10% chance of being a really good player/all star...with a 5 year gap before most guys contribute if at all and occasionally a bit faster. That's like the ultimate "rebuilding" move, a guy who is years from helping if at all. A B+ player, if he can fit into the lineup in the next 2 years, is vastly preferable to that to me, unless we're finally ready to admit this team won't be competitive until 2018 or later. At least get something that can help the big league roster in the next few years out of this. You are underrating the flexibility part of the situation though. Let's pretend that the Sox pick #6 overall. That pick would require a bonus of close to $4 million. Their comp pick would require a bonus of say $1.8 million. They would also have just over $1 million for their 2nd rounder. That's tons of flexibility. They could conceivably take a college hitter at #6 and pay him $3 million. That gives you room to draft talented players that fall in later rounds. It would also conceivable allow you take 3 top 50 players if you chose that route.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) Depends on what type of B/B+ prospect it is. Catcher? Make the deal. Anything else I'd be hesitant, and inclined to just get the draft pick. I disagree with this. I don't want a catcher in return. Teams don't have catchers to trade. The catcher acquired wouldn't be much better than what White Sox currently have. I'd target SS, 3B, or OF before C in trades because you have a better chance at upgrading those positions.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) This team could use a guy like Showalter. Buck would be just the right voice for this club. Too bad he's in Baltimore. If anyone could solve fundemental issues and change a culture, it would be Buck. I'll be honest, as much as it cringes me, I'd also fully support Dusty Baker (I realize he runs pitchers into the ground, but he's also been a pretty consistent winner despite his hatred for all things sabs). Won a lot in San Fran, won with the Cubs (hard to do), and then again with the Reds (who thought he didn't do enough, so they got rid of him, and then the Reds turned into a bigger dumpster fire). Okay so Baker probably isn't the actual solution, but I think even more so in this era of pitching, the AL is going to have to adjust and move to a more NL style of play. That 1 run makes a much larger difference in an ERA where runs are down and therefore the execution, the baserunning, the little things that became so watered down in the steroid era (and even more waterdown in the AL where the DH's were the most fully loaded roiders around) are now so critical and a lot of these AL squads just aren't as schooled in it or the philosphies still seem to be a bit in the stoneage. Sox philosophy sure seems like it. The pitching and belief to have strong pitching, we can all agree with. But we have lousy baserunning and lousy defense. To me, that is inexcusable without having some massive clotters out their who can out homer everyone. I believe this team needs better players. Showalter would most likely be 42-48 with this bunch as well.

I saw a stat about Petricka showing his Hits/Walks to K rate and it's not good. He's the guy I'd move if they could maximize the return. I like relievers that strike people out.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) The Astros are looking for a 1B due to the poor production from the position. That poor production is still better than that of LaRoche so I doubt the Astros have interest in LaRoche. Since the Astros have time before the deadline I think they give Singleton a chance to show what he can do before the 31st. Samardzija to Houston make alot of sense since Samardzija will not cost as much as Cueto or Hamels would in a trade. I went to the Pirates/Brewers game yesterday. I didn't realize Adam Lind was having such a good season. That's who Houston should go after. Also, Sox may be able to dump Alexei on the Pirates since Mercer got hurt. Wishful thinking probably.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) Made me think back to Manuel and the time he skipped Buehrle when we could have swept the Yankees...I think it was on the road, too. Cotts of course got bombed and the forward momentum was emergency-braked. Momentum in baseball? GTFOH. Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) We (Future Sox) now have an AZL correspondent, and she was at Fulmer's debut last night in Arizona. Read her report here, to give you a first take on Carson as a pro. Welcome Carson, and welcome Kim! I hope Seby Zavala ends up being a stud because that's a great name.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 07:44 AM) i am with you on this. but how is his D coming along. the defense was the reason on being sent back down. LDF, I don't think he's ever going to be good defensively. He has to be a big offensive weapon to outweigh his bad D.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 05:57 AM) Lol - as opposed to what? Not wanting to win in 2016? Give me a break. Not to mention, but if "Chairman" is hanging his hat on the likes of Melky and LaRoche (one year older, btw) to fulfill this yearning of his next year, well, how's that working out for him so far in 2015? The White Sox will not be trading guys like Melky and Robertson that they just signed. They tried to win in 2015. They'll add in the offseason and try to win again in 2016. Samardzija will most likely get moved. I could see a reliever or Ramirez go as well. My point to Greg was that there wasn't going to be some giant firesale.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 11:31 PM) Beckham may be a better runner. If he is, it's by a margin that isn't a factor. Bonifacio isn't any bit of the hitter that Gillaspie is and shouldn't be batting against righties. Beckham is the one that doesn't make sense unless he's starting. He doesn't hit RHP or LHP well. This sounds hard for you. You hate Gillaspie and Beckham. I wish neither guy were on the team. I think Davidson probably sucks but I'd like to see: Davidson 3B, Saladino SS, Johnson 2B, and Abreu 1B.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 11:23 PM) Well I doubt we'd get three elite prospects so one elite one and a couple other solid prospects. I just don't understand the rush on this board to trade Quintana for far less than he's worth.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 06:20 PM) People's argument for why he wouldn't be worth a top of the league value deal is that he's not well known enough. He could actually win a few games in some first half at some point and "snap together a season with a lot of wins and an all star appearance". Is that more acceptable? Sure but I don't think it matters. I think other major league baseball front offices know how good Jose Quintana is.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) Time to sell definitely. Shark for sure, DFA Conor, and only move Quintana if we can get a very good MLB ready hitter. I love Quintana but this lineup needs retooled bad. 1 good ML ready hitter? That's not nearly enough for Quintana. Q trades could be entertained in offseason but I doubt it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) Amen, Finn. Just think if we make GOOD trades for Lexi, Shark, Robertson and LaRoche and Melky in the next 2 weeks. We're talking a very very nice re-tooling of our team. Go ahead and sign Shark this offseason if u like, but deal him now and get some bodies back for him! Saladino can play short as we wait for Anderson. Greg, I'm pretty sure you are going to be disappointed. Samardzija will get traded. Maybe even Alexei. I'd be shocked if Robertson, Melky, or LaRoche go anywhere though. Chairman wants to win in 2016

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 05:29 PM) My guess is Hahn is seeing if he can get an A ball pitcher for Conor. This is exactly what I think as well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) Webb. I'm really surprised Perez didn't gap one and end the game there. Duke isn't just a LOOGY though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) If the Sox lose 3 of 4 as most everybody expected, do the trades begin? Or not. What trades? Samardzija will probably go. That's it though.