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QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) esp if his avg is 200 with 20 hrs. And if he was that bad, he'd go back or be gone. He actually has a wRC+ of 116 this year. In 2012 he had a 134, 2013 he had a 109, and last year with the White Sox was his worst ever at 77. Her has a higher walk rate this year than the past too. He has 30 walks and had 49 all of last season. On the flip side, his strikeouts % is actually higher than last year. 33% to 30%.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Well it's time to move some dead weight and bullpen pitchers and see what some of these guys have. Kottaras at least hits like he belongs in the majors. Guerra and others who are/were at Charlotte pitch like it too. Have you ever seen Kottaras play? He's awful defensively

Great but he was still one of the best hitters ever. Are we supposed to pretend that that never happened? The Hall of Fame is a joke. Then again, I want everyone in.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:05 AM) No doubt about it Fulmer really is Filthy Fulmer, he does worry me prospectively though, did we really get a starter? If so is he frontline? His size, goggles, velocity, arsenal, tendency to hit the dirt, all have me thinking he's a future reliever. We all knew Sale and Rodon were frontline starters when drafted but there is so much question about Fulmer's future. I'd like to see him win the CWS, sign for slot, go to AZL/GF in mid-July, then W-S, then Charlotte like Rodon. If he develops the command, adjusts to pro-ball, and perfects his arsenal, hopefully he can remain a starter long term. He reminds me a lot of Marcus Stroman, while he's most commonly compared to former Commodore Sonny Gray, and has even been compared to Carlos Martinez, Danny Salazar, Tim Lincecum, and Roy Oswalt. Hopefully, he'll be up on a winning ChiSox team in 2016 in a rotation looking like Sale, Fulmer, Quintana, Johnson, Rodon. I like the Roy Oswalt comp for Fulmer. Sale wasn't seen as a definite frontline starter. At least I didn't think so. I have concerns watching Fulmer pitch as well but I'll trust the White Sox on this one. Lots of really smart people think that Fulmer can start.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:53 PM) Davidson does have a 113 wRC+ in AAA. Is he really doing that badly? He has big power. I'd much rather have him play vs LHP than Beckham or Gillaspie. Understand what he is though. Homers and lots of strikeouts. There's always been this fallacy on this board though that strikeouts are the worst thing in the world. He'd be hated quickly.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) I don't think the teams are on bad terms or anything like that, but you won't see a deal that involves Chris Sale and/or Starlin Castro for sure. I don't think so either. They typically don't trade with each other though for whatever reason.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 02:09 PM) I'm surprised his reinstatement got as much traction as it did. I always thought they should wait til he drops dead then reinstate. I mean the guy has a reality TV show, it's pretty clear what his reasons are. $$$ Who cares though? He has over 4,000 hits. Him not being in the HOF is dumb. Ty Cobb and many other terrible humans are in. So stupid.

THE CUBS AND WHITE SOX ARE NOT TRADING WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!!!

Kottaras is way worse defensively than both Soto and Flowers though.

This most likely explains how they got a 2nd/3rd round talent in round 7 for $200,000. It's fine.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 07:53 AM) Better not look at twitter then. All sorts of proposals from Cubs fans. Can always tell a trade comes from a Cubs fan or Cubs favoring media when the proposal includes Starlin Castro as a key piece. The only good part of the Cubs getting Sale would be their fans calling him Chris Sales like Kerry Woods.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) Okay - didn't realize things were that hard-nosed. Now was Glines really a 10th round talent; or did they just pick him so that they could get 150K in cap room, essentially punting their 10th pick? Glines is actually decent. They punted their 9th rd pick though. Hinchley is awful. They signed an overslot guy in the 14th though in Comito.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) Same here. But it is what it is. I just don't think the Cubs would give up that much talent for Q. I feel like the Sox/Cubs are always brought up as trade partners because the Sox have the "desirable" veterans that the Cubs could use to further their "playoff push", and the Cubs have some nice prospects that the Sox could use to help boost the farm system and to hopefully make an impact in future years. They never deal though. I think their last deal was Aardsma for Cotts.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:03 PM) I highly, highly, highly, highly doubt the Cubs would be willing to part with Schwarber without getting Sale in return. I think we value Q a lot more than they do. He was a 5 WAR player last year, is cheap, and locked up for 5 years. It would cost Schwarber or there's not a chance I'd make the deal. Why do people keep bringing up Cubs/Sox trades anyway? They never happen.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:39 PM) Braves acquire SP Touki Touissant and SP Bronson Arroyo for INF Phil Gosselin. f***ing DBacks just signed a $2 billion tv contract. Then they traded their promising 19 year old 2014 1st round pick in order to dump Arroyo's salary? So puzzling. John Hart is doing a great job in Atlanta.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:11 PM) There is no chance the Cubs accept that offer, sorry. I'd take Schwarber and Baez for Q probably. Or maybe Schwarber, Villanueva, and Alcantara

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) I liken it to a cute toy. I went back 5 years to look at previous comp rounds to see what people got out of them. From the comp round 5 years ago, only a handful of players have made the big leagues at all and the total bWAR out of that comp round is negative. If you go back 6 or more years you find that about 50% of the players taken in the comp round make the big leagues and usually out of 20-30 picks you find 2 really solid, all star caliber players. Even given the salary flexibility...I would much, much rather have a single player who is performing at AAA than a comp pick. Far higher chances of them becoming a useful big leaguer overall and you don't have to wait 5+ years for them to arrive at the big league roster. "Comp pick in 2016 = 2020/2021 arrival for a normal team and 2022/2023 contributor, with a 50% chance they never make it to the bigs at all and an 80-90% chance of not being a contributor" I'd rather have a big league starting position player for Shark too. The comp picks help though because you can expect more in the deal. Their return has to be better than the comp pick.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 09:24 AM) yea, but he wasn't healthy, so a heavy discount is attached. Seems like a fair return to me, with the Sox picking up some serious risk (and serious upside). For sure. I hope you're right.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 09:21 AM) This is not true. KW drafted safe players such as Broadway and McCullough and people on this board comolained and wanted him to draft the high risk but high reward players to try to get a superstar. His draft phiosophy changed a d now people complain about it. The bottom line is that its just bad drafting with the wrong platers regardless of philosophy. Okay but J.R. was opposed to taking advantage of market inefficiencies. There was no penalty to spend a ton before. There was absolutely no excuse to not draft guys that fell and sign them for big $$ to deals to fuse the system with talent. My biggest problem was not doing things that a team like the Red Sox used to do all the time. He never took the draft seriously. He didn't allocate the resources that could have been allocated.

Good stuff from Buster Olney here on trading Sale: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-oln...r/post?id=10467

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Why is Hoffman a ridiculous return for a quality major league starter at the deadline? I think Hoffman is a future ace. The White Sox might have taken Hoffman over Rodon had he been healthy last year. They were big fans of his. He's going to be a front of the rotation starter. Would be a great return.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) The comp pick is not that valuable. These bogus "competitive balance picks" are used as trade throw ins all the time and they are just a few spots below. (or course the Sox never get those in trades). Meanwhile Phegley has an OPS in excess of .800. The Sox haven't produced a hitter like that since, when? And if they aren't up to our high defensive standards (and I'm not convinced that Phegley is as bad as this org. claimed, esp. compared to Flowers et al), then trade them, but for something of real value. The front office has done a poor job. The comp pick is actually real valuable. It allows you a ton of draft flexibility in this new system.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) What am I missing??? Phegley would be better defensively than Soto and is hitting 75 points higher. If they kept Semien he would be playing 2nd over the Micah experiment. We don't know how he would do there defensively. Regardless I understand the rationale behind the trade. It just backfired unless Shark negates some of it based on what they get for him. They didn't like the way Phegley called games. Phegley was done with the White Sox. Semien is just a guy. His defense will always drag down his good hitting.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 08:20 AM) Real talk, but would people here trade Quintana for Schwarber, Baez, & Vogelbach? Would the Cubs even consider this? Unfortunately, I think our best bet for a quick turnaround may be trading Quintana for a couple major league ready hitting prospects and resigning Shark to an extension. Just don't think we'll get enough value for Shark to move the needle. Yes I would make that trade. I'm not one of the guys advocating trading Quintana though. If that were the package, I'd definitely do it though.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 04:58 AM) ok i see your point, but it still do not excuse KW failure of the past, excluding the WS win, the state of the system, esp in the minor league can be trace directly back to KW. Lots of the bad drafting is also on Jerry Reinsdorf too though. Kenny likes tools, athletic types. JR didn't like draft spending though. That's how you end up with the Jared Mitchell's and Keenyn Walkers of the world. Jerry would much rather pay guys like Juan Pierre $5 million than put that cash into the draft. That has changed since the slotting system but it shouldn't have taken that for you to draft well.