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I vote Marc Trestman. Close thread.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 11:37 PM) he had a 1.5 WHIP prior to his last start. He's using service time for this going nowhere team. He's not really wasting any service time though. They still have him for 6 seasons after this one.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 02:58 AM) I have a theory the reason why Ventura was hired is that any experienced manager would not want the job considering the future is bleak. I believe Ozzie knew that and wanted out. I would think an experienced manager would like his team tailored to to the way he thinks they can win. That is not the White Sox way. This is just not true. There are 32 managerial jobs in the majors. Guys aren't turning them down when offered. For whatever reason, they wanted to hire Ventura.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:17 PM) Would you give up Semien straight up for Samardzija right now? I sure as *** wouldn't if I were the A's. Even if I were 1 game out and in need of pitching. If they can't get a guy better than Semien in return then I'd definitely take the comp pick.

I've never been the "fire the manager" guy and I don't think terrible players playing terribly and better players having bad years is a manager's fault. I think the writing is on the wall here though. The problem is it shouldn't be just Robin. There's not really anyone on his staff that I would want to take over for the rest of the season. I like Rick Hahn as the architect of this team moving forward and I'm pretty sure Kenny isn't going anywhere. If they switch managers, they need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I know it's fresh and at the top of mind but I'd love Bud Black as the White Sox manager. I think this would mean that Cooper goes but I'd be fine with that. They haven't made the playoffs since 2008. I held out hope that they'd get back into this thing but it's past 60 games and June 15th which are my assessment points. At this point, if you could guarantee me a top 5 pick I'd take it. This team really doesn't have much to sell. I think if you get a deal better than a (very valuable) 2016 1st rounder, you consider making it for Shark. That 1st rounder is enticing though. You probably can't get much for Ramirez but I'd probably sell low to clear the $$. I'm obviously not a GM but once they start making moves towards next year there a few guys I'd like to see. Gillaspie, Flowers, and Noesi would not be on my baseball team. Danks would be in the bullpen until Shark moves. I'd go with Rodon, Sale, Q, and Erik Johnson in the rotation. I'd play Matt Davidson at 3B, Micah Johnson at 2B, and Kevan Smith at C. They may all be terrible, but it can't be much worse and I need to see what they have. Most of this is a pipe dream and it won't happen but at least there'd be interest.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 11:50 PM) Will Zangari be a pitcher of hitter/1b for the Sox? 1B

Cubs calling up Schwarber

I bet Noesi gets DFA after the game. It's not all his fault. They'll need relievers though because of a lack of off days.

Lance Stephenson to Clippers for Spencer Hawes and Matt Barnes. Yuck.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 07:24 PM) Why did they pull Rodon so early? He has nothing tonight. No reason to leave him out there to get battered.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/.../gordon-beckham Hope Robin Ventura notices that Gordon Beckham is only 6 for 36 against LHP this season and has been in a terrible slump. Make that 6 for 37. Conor has only batted against lefties five times this year, 2 for 5. But if they are basically the same offensively, I'd rather play Beckham for his defense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) Trade them for what? More veterans? For hitting prospects of equal ability? The latter is fine by me, but the Sox had the best hitter in the draft fall right in their lap and they passed him on. If one decries the Shark trade (as I also do) it's tough to trade the few young players we have. 2017 is a better target, just like 2016 was 6 months ago There have been good young players available for players like Shark and middle relievers. The Sox need to find a couple. Who was the best hitter in the draft that they passed on?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) The last thing the Sox need is the future Adam Dunn. Haha this is funny. People see Gallo's name on a prospect list and love him instantly. White Sox fans would hate that style. Always have on here at least.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) So obviously there's a huge statistical formula differentiation from dWAR, fWAR and whatever ESPN is using. Tell me in your own words why Fangraphs has a better number....something besides, "but it's from Fangraphs so it must be right." Because obviously if one system or another's proven to be BETTER and more accurate, then everyone would have a vested interested in adopting or improving it. It has already happened with fielding ratings going from UZR to Range Factor to Net Fielding Wins to Defensive Runs Saved in the span of less than 5 years. Well fWAR is better because it tells what should have happened rather than what actually happened.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 07:47 AM) The only reason a team would trade Sale was he was going to be ultra expensive and become a free agent fairly soon. Trading him now to fill in holes would be about the dumbest thing Rick Hahn could do. This is true. And there are less than 5 teams in baseball that would be capable of putting a package together and those teams would never trade those players. Boston was always the rumored team. They are so "LOADED". I don't want their overhyped bum ass prospects though. Sale is going nowhere.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 12:14 AM) No they could not. They're not also getting value out of trading Quintana either so stop asking. Great post. They won't get equal value for either guy. How do they get better position players? I don't know. Trading Q or Sale wouldn't be how I go about doing it though.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:09 PM) id be on the phone with STL like yesterday Just to gauge your thought process here: What would the Sox receive from STL?

Not this thread again.....the answer would be no. Not many teams even have enough to get it done.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) Eric Byrnes just said on MLB Network that the Sox are the biggest disappointment this season. I think it's probably Seattle but White Sox are definitely in the conversation.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) Again, they have to trade someone valuable to acquire multiple young players. Maybe Johnson by next year can play 2nd which would be major in that you filled internally . But you still have holes at catcher, 3B, SP and probably SS. Now if the FO is convinced Fullmer is the real thing, I trade Q and try and get a catcher and infielder. I trade Shark at the deadline this year and try and get a 3B back. If Shark and Q returned a catcher, SS and 3B, Johnson played 2nd and Fullmer took Q's spot that would be a solid step in the right direction. That still leaves a hole for 4th starter assuming Danks is the 5. My fear is Q may not bring back 2 ML ready players realizing we need SS and Catcher which are hard to find. Instead maybe he brings one and a #4 type starter. They better be getting a hell of a lot more than that to trade Quintana. Q was worth 5.3 fWAR last year. He's already accumulated over a win this season and he's signed to a bargain of a contract. I don't really understand why people are insistent on dealing him for less than he's worth.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) in you infinite wisdom, i posted this i am still not a fan of this draft. i will stand my ground, i am not going to be a follower or a yes man. You don't have to like it. Feel however you want to feel. You would have been the only one happy to see the Sox draft Justin Hooper or Everett in the middle rounds though. You put in a lot of time on this board and are very knowledgable so I don't really understand why you actually think that those guys somehow were signable and the Sox said "nah lets draft inferior guys for the same money".

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) look up the name yourself. for i will say this, kep brown, j. hooper, g pickett, d. evertt, b moss, even d thompson. PIckett, Hooper, and Everett weren't going to sign though? I know the names. Your point doesn't make sense though. White Sox had a little more $5 million. Fulmer gets over $3 million of that. They just didn't have the $$ this year. They actually did fairly well considering the restrictions they had.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) there was some quality picks there. but we do not know if they were approach to see what it would it to signed them. Who? Give me names of guys.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) You have Sale, Rodon and Q in the rotation right now w Shark and Danks. My guess is they move Shark at deadline for an Avi type. Rodon gets shut down in late August and w/o Shark and Rodon down the stretch they finish below .500 ( 5 or 6 games) I think next year w Sale, Q and Rodan we are looking at .500 ish. Now if you tell me Hahn is going to spend big money in FA market then yes next year could be better than .500 They can't spend big next year though really nor should they. Shrewd signings and trades. They can't make a habit of giving up draft picks to sign free agents. I wouldn't sign anyone with a qualifying offer attached. They desperately need those 2 1st rounders next year.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) how are they going to get players to win in 2016 if they don't want to trade anyone? The first 3 won't bring much; if someone wants to send elite talent for Robertson, by all means bring it on. On a side note, the Sox gave away 2 more outs today on the basepaths. It adds up. Not sure. They aren't going to trade players that they just signed though. They didn't give up a 2nd round draft pick for Robertson to then trade him immediately. They have a good bullpen. Trading Robertson and Duke makes it so your bullpen is awful again. I'm not even sure they trade Samardzija. Comp pick may be better than the return.