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QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 08:34 PM) Headley plus an extension along with Grandal would cost more than Quintana. I'd be ecstatic to acquire both of them, but more pieces would have to go to San Diego. It would lock down 3B and C for the foreseeable future. I completely agree. Would something like Nate Jones be enough of a sweetener or are we talking more than that still? Grandal should be available with Meadows in the pipeline though. Also, mods do you want to merge this thread with the Headley stuff from the trade talks thread? I didn't realize people were talking about it in there when I added to this one.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) At the very least, when someone resigns with a team they already played for they lose the compensation pick right? That's true. There won't be a comp pick for Napoli for example. Same with Kuroda. Don't the Yanks actually get a pretty good deal overall? The Yanks lose their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd picks because of signing Beltran, McCann, and Ellsbury. They receive 2 comp round picks for Granderson and Cano though, correct? So they will still have 2 top 50 selections and the 3 big name free agents?

QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 1m #WhiteSox want Chase Headley but dont want to part w/ Jose Quintana to get him. Controllable years key. #Padres http://bit.ly/1fbi2pS I just put this in the Chase Headley thread. You beat me to it.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ley-if-they-pay Dan Hayes mentions the White Sox longstanding interest in Chase Headley. San Diego wants Quintana in return. What does everyone think? Quintana is a very important part of the White Sox future but I could get Chase Headley with an extension along with Yasmani Grandal, I think I could part with Quintana and a young reliever. Any thoughts guys?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) This all sounds like wishful thinking. While Dunn is arguably one of the worst Sox ever, that same fact will probably keep him here thru 2014. Nobody wants to pay for a guy who won't play team ball. Disappointing for contract that was signed and what was expected? Yes. One of worst Sox ever? No. Jesus he wasn't even close to being the worst guy on the team LAST SEASON. You either have an agenda or need a different television.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) Beckham's wife*** and also why did A.J. have to let her on? Why is it on him? I never ever heard the story He didn't have to. Under Ozzie only wives were allowed to ride on the team plane on the road. Under Ventura, he allowed the younger guys to hve their girlfriends on the team plane. It was reported by Barry Rozner and Matt Spiegel that AJ defiantly objected to these new rules and made a stink over them. It was also reported that AJ was a pain in Ventura's ass. That's fine but another reason why he is gone now. The plane thing is ridiculous. It takes someone with pretty thin skin that just "wants to be angry" to be upset about that in my opinion.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) Where are these two lefties coming from? Wouldn't shock me if we only have one. Leesman and Veal.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:40 PM) I listened to that interview and early on, in the background, you can clearly hear Hahn's phone ringing. Anyone want to speculate which team and trade proposal was on the other end? I'll say it was the Marlins which is why Rick didn't answer the phone, because he knows they always call collect & besides he doesn't want Lomer Morganson or whatever his stupid name is anyway. Did you take the beginning of the interview as Hahn putting the Konerko signing squarely on Reinsdorf? That's what i heard

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) Just to try and understand, is the g/f of Beckham situation on the plane the reason for the AJ bashing? It's one of them. Nobody is bashing AJ. I liked him on the White Sox. He was one of my favorite players on the team. He's not a class act though. And pretending like he is some great person doesn't do anything for me.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) Beckham's g/f as far as I know back then was Scotty Fletcher's daughter...who's smoking hot, and has a history with the White Sox as a player. Not only that, but Beckham was/is close with Greg Walker, and of course Fletcher is now Walker's assistant hitting coach with the Braves. Hawk Harrelson, Walker, Beckham and I'm pretty sure Fletcher all have Georgia ties. Yes this is true. They also got married this summer. Not that it matters.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) Ha. WTF does Beckham's girlfriend need to be on the team plane for? Was there some dire situation where that was the only way she could get from Point A to Point B as quickly as possible? Beckham can use all that draft bonus money and arb salary he hasn't lived up to and buy her a first class ticket. AJ knows how this game is played. AJ knows how a team is supposed to be run, how a clubhouse is supposed to work, he knows both the rule book and all the rules that aren't written in there but should be. Beckham's girlfriend scenario, IF true, would be what you call an error of omission, not an error of commission, by Robin. Robin doesn't necessarily get nicked for it in the media because no one is scoring on it, but AJ is right in taking corrective action because it is the type of error that can lead to a whole host of greater mistakes later on. It's also laziness & lack of leadership to allow an unestablished and overall a fairly unimportant player such privileges. In fact, not having AJ around to help Robin along may have contributed to last team's horrible season. And IF there is truth to this, then I also believe that Beckham's girlfriend may have cursed this team in which case the plane should be thoroughly washed and blessed by several priests and Minnie Minoso and Steve Stone too just to cover all the bases. I think AJ was upset that his girlfriend couldn't ride on the plane.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:10 AM) For what he is doing for Hawk. I'm speechless. AJP is total class. He was very classy 2 years ago when he berated Ventura on the team plane for allowing Beckham's gf to fly on the team plane. AJ was great on the White Sox and he helped the team win a World Series. Let's not pretend that he was some fantastic guy though. This is a cool thing that he is doing for a guy he respects. How about how he treats people he doesn't respect? Good ballplayer. Bad guy.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) What are your guys thoughts on trying to acquire this guy? A young cost controlled left handed power hitting outfielder. I believe he would be a great addition. I can see a deal revolving around Santiago and De Aza for Brown and 1 or 2 low level players. Thoughts? Why would Philadelphia trade Dominic Brown?

Boy am I glad Granderson went to the Mets. That's a lot of coin for what he does and Sox keep their draft picks. Ideal scenario.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) Jon Morosi is saying the Mariners think they have the pieces to get David Price. The Sox have to listen on Chris Sale. They'd be nuts not to. I think a deal centered around Tijaun Walker, James Paxton, and Nick Franklin may indeed land Price for the Mariners. It makes sense for them. They also have a new $2 billion TV deal and they want to fill the seats. They are supposedly still in on other free agents as well.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) At this point I would take him on a 1 year deal. For the White Sox? You would give up a 2nd round pick for 1 year of Cano?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 07:46 AM) There's one thing you're missing. I'd rather have flexibility too...in the roster. We already have 2 guys who can backup 1b to give Abreu extra time off if needed, Dunn and Keppinger (and hell Flowers in a pinch). We're sacrificing flexibility at every other position in the lineup in order to have extra flexibility at 1b/DH...which is one of the easiest positions to move someone to for a couple games if needed. Oh, and we also could throw Andy Wilkins onto the bench for a few games if someone got hurt so we even have an obvious 4th backup at the minor league level. We're saying the only position we want any flexibility at is 1b, and it's ok if we have none anywhere else. Gillaspie can play 1B as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Based purely on talent alone, there is no way I'm taking Chris Sale over Felix Hernandez. This is in reference to Jose Fernandez.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 10:54 PM) My "flake" reference was more a joke about his (past) cocaine use anyway more than an indictnent of his lateness I'm sure he's only guy on the Sox that uses cocaine.......

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) Absolutely. I like this signing. Is Webb a ceiling middle reliever? Yeah I actually like Webb's stuff better than Reed's. Webb's ceiling is as a closer. Obviously he might not make it but Webb is nasty.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:05 PM) You don't think there's a chance a healthy Paulie has a great spring? And if he does he wouldn't be starting? it's not like the guy is 44 years old for gosh sakes. I do realize what he's said publicly. I'm just pointing out a scenario in which he's not finished and actually bounces back. Spring Training is meaningless. Jose Abreu is 26. Signed for $68 million. Jose Abreu is the White Sox starting 1B.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 08:05 PM) Biggest in terms of cash, yes, however some may view a "bigger name" signing like Granderson to be more important than Abreu. And "some" people are stupid

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) You guys aren't going to like this post. ... Robin Ventura is a former player. As such, Robin Ventura respects near Hall of Famers like Konerko (he won't make the Hall but a damn fine career). My take to you is it's Paulie's STARTING job to lose. Look ... we go to spring training. Paulie is going to be healthy. Paulie is going to hit .310 in spring training with 6-7 home runs. Paulie Konerko will be starting first baseman. You heard it here first. Please please give me credit when this happens. It's going to happen. p.s. Am I the only person on Soxtalk thrilled with his return? You are a special man.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) Not really. You sort of had to pay Keppinger anyway. Yes you did. But you didn't have to pay Konerko.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) I think this will cut into Dunn's time far more than it will Abreu's, but I guess that's just opinion. We'll have to see how that plays out. That makes sense, and I understand it from that aspect. Like I said, I'm not crazy about this move either, but it's small. Like you, I think it stunts the development of some unknown. It's likely that the unknown is someone like Brent Lillibridge or Tyler Greene, but it could also be Carlos Quentin too. It's incredibly frustrating because if the team is serious about winning, they don't go into the season with 3 exclusive 1B/DHs but rather sign or trade for a guy like Craig Gentry (who I seem to remember mashed lefties and was also great defensively; if I'm mistaken, just think lefty masher) who does have added versatility. If they're serious about rebuilding, why are they bringing back a guy who is almost 40? It doesn't make sense other than as a gesture of respect and loyalty, which seems silly. Still, if done right, I don't see it being totally unfeasible that this move actually benefits the Sox and helps them win more games. At this point, in theory, you have a perfect platoon at DH. No, it is not the ideal spot for a platoon, but it will get those two out of the lineups when they should be out of the lineups, so it's not inconceivable that they could ultimately get like 3 WAR out of the DH spot and 8 WAR total between 1B and DH, which would be an incredible improvement. Add an upgrade at 3B and C, even if marginal upgrades, and the Sox almost look like a team that will battle for 2nd or 3rd. Ultimately, I think it's a nil move. I don't think it's going to have much of an effect either way. That's why I really don't care. I think it's worse to do it on a bad team. The Sox aren't contending for anything next year. I'd rather give Konerko's at-bats to someone else. It just doesn't make any sense. People say, " OH. They are going to be bad anyways, so what is the big deal? ". The big deal is that it is stupid and unnecessary.