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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 07:48 AM) If you pay someone $15 million a year, the thought is for him to do the damage, not try leave it up to someone else. If it doesn't translate into runs, its a pretty meaningless event. Not all walks are created equal. If you think with the same line ups if every player walked the exact same time Adam Dunn walked, the runs created would be the same, I think you're way off. You can get hung up Dunn's walks all you want, but the truth is for most slow footed guys, walks aren't nearly as productive as they are for others. Not that they are totally unproductive, but Adam Dunn walking 105 times isn't nearly as valuable as say Alejandro De Aza walking 105 times. \ Did it bother you when Frank Thomas did it? Frank would frequently take a walk instead of driving in a run. I suppose Frank should have been giving himself up to drive and drive in the runs?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 01:49 PM) I don't personally hate Dunn and don't sense hatred per se on here. He contributed to a lot of wins last year, both halves. I'm thinking he stunk down the stretch as did most of our players/pitchers. I just don't like his style. I never understood why these big brutes never try to hit to all fields. That shift victimized him a lot. And personally his strikeouts are annoying. I don't hate him and applaud him for his game winning type hits last year but I wish he'd go far away. Do you think flyouts, groundouts, line outs, pop outs, etc are annoying as well? Go and research how many players on the Sox committed more outs than Dunn. You'll most likely find the data quite interesting.

Does anyone think the Sox will sniff around Ichiro again? What about a guy like Grady Sizemore? Sizemore has been destroyed by injuries, but if he didn't cost anything, Id consider taking a shot.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) Who would want him at $28 large over 2 yrs? The Dunn hate is and always will be mind boggling to me. The White Sox should trade Dunn and then what? They would be looking for another LH power bat to replace him with. Some of the people that post on this board don't deserve to see a winning team. Dunn's .OBP was down last year and he will always strike out a ton. But 40 + HR's annually and over 100 walks is something that is not given enough credit on this board and in most places. People need to get over the fact that their eyes tell them that a strikeout is the worst thing in the world. All the bad players that have come through town and people hate the guy that will end his career near 600 homers.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) Moustakas would be a great addition, and provide a left handed bat, but I suspect that it would take a lot more than Gavin Floyd to get him. He is still very young and has tremendous potential, and of course, he will be cost controlled for a few more years, which makes him very attractive. Did I miss the news somewhere that KC wanted to deal Moustakas? Why would they trade him? Hosmer, Butler, Myers, and Moustakas is a nice group to build around. And they have more coming. Not to mention Perez. Was it mentioned somewhere that they would deal Moose for pitching because of the depth on offense?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 11:55 PM) Cool Immy. Can Benet beat Oswego? Do u like Benet's team? Benet is pretty good. 7A is an absolute b****, but they should get past Oswego.

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 26, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) The same information that is available to everyone else. That KW has been a GM for more than a decade and has won many more trades than he has lost. I have no reason to believe that a completely inexperienced Rick Hahn will be effective at the myriad of things that go into working out a trade. The stuff today has made it completely unclear to me who has control. It does seem that to some extent JR probably wants to get further away from personnel decisions and is probably going to give KW some of the veto power that JR once held. I think it is fairly clear who has the control. Hahn takes over the day to day operations and will be in charge. KW gets to do a lot more scouting and development type stuff along with Team President type things. Obviously, Kenny will have input on major trades but that was to be expected. I like the analytical shift in philosophy that I think Hahn has though.

I coach Freshmen football at Lockport. I never even knew that this board was here.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 26, 2012 -> 08:29 AM) That sounds exactly like Gavin Floyd. Yeah just like Floyd....minus the Ace part.

Q: How many fans in the survey talked about the on-field product – the team performance? How big a deal was that? Brooks: A year ago, I would have said it had to be near the top… but as it turns out, in the survey, team performance didn’t even make the top 4. Fans said they’d rather see a team that is competitive and fun and plays hard, represents the fan base well, than one that wins but doesn’t deliver those other things. Surprising but true. Obviously it was mentioned in some surveys, and obviously it is a big part of things, but not as big as they thought it would be. I still have to think that winning does matter. The White Sox were in 1st place when this survey was given. It's pretty tough for those fans to use the winning excuse when the team is in 1st place. I'd like to see if it would be in the top 4 when the team is bad.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 17, 2012 -> 11:17 AM) He won't snag A-Rod, but I guarantee he tries to get Ichiro. Yeah I thought the same thing. Kenny tried to get Ichiro this year. Of course he will try again.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 04:10 PM) That's probably a pretty good point. I know when I go to a game I don't wanna sit in the upper tank. Hey here's a good one for you. I have some friends coming up from Chicago to go to the Kansas-Texas football game. No way I am going to pay money for Kansas football tickets for god sakes with the stands half full. So my rich car dealer, a very nice guy, gave me four tickets for the game. I looked at the ticket and they are 80 bucks a pop. Can you imagine??? Kansas football. 80 bucks a ticket. My car dealer gave me 320 bucks of goods for free. Nice guy, but my god, how could anybody pay 80 bucks to go see a Kansas football game!? When I go I usually sit in the Upper Deck. I love getting seats on stub hub for the first couple rows behind home plate in the UD. The seats are good and the Burrito stand and Import beers stand is right by the seats.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. Love the Brandon Morrow idea. Problem is, I think Toronto is going to add rather than subtract. I would not be surprised if Toronto is still where Floyd ends up.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 06:53 PM) I worked for the Cougars in High School. I admit I'm not a marketing expert, but most people who go to those games are people with small kids who can let them run around without any hassle (hell it's why my dad took me to so many games there as a kid). Also, the Cougars do a ton of business with corporate events/parties. I can't tell you how many guests we had ask me "Hey who are the Cougars affiliated with" or "Who they playing tonight" followed up with "who are they affiliated with." I also ask this, the White Sox have not had a great track record of developing talents recently, nor do they particular draft well OR sign a ton of international talent. How the hell are you going to make any new fans out in the western burbs if you really are not sending good talent there? And that all assumes that people going to Cougars game pay attention. I guess I just don't see any Cub fans or someone who doesn't follow baseball suddenly become a White Sox fan because the low A affiliate is playing in their backyard. With that said, my parents still live out in St. Charles and I would go to tons of games if the White Sox were involved, but I would consider myself pretty diehard. I understand your point but it could sway a young fan in my opinion. I have White Sox and Cubs fans in my family. I could have gone either way. When I was a kid, Frank Thomas came up. I am a White Sox fan because of Frank Thomas. What if a guy like Courtney Hawkins is awesome. If the Sox affilaite was in say Schaumburg, it is possible that a young kid could reasonably have Hawkins (or any other spect) as his/her favorite player. I know that isnt a scenario that is extremely common but it is reasonable.

Earlier in the thread people were talking about trading one of the bad OBP guys. Can Carlos Sanchez play SS? Will he hit enough? If the Sox could get a nice return for Alexei, is it worth it to go with Sanchez and save money to re-sign guys?

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) The sox need to appeal to the sometimes annoying casual baseball fan if they want to sell close to 30k a night. This is where the Cubs are so successful. Im guilty of having gone to more Cubs games this season than Sox games, and I get tickets free with my military I.D. with the Sox. I hate how after a white sox winner theres nothing left to do except take the red line home and hope to Allah that no one notices my iPhone and tries to rob me of my prized possessions. The Cubs games you get a chance to watch the great game of baseball (played not so greatly) and look forward to post-game festivities with some exploration of the rest of wrigleyville if you please. I have an easier time convincing friends and family to go with me to a Cubs game than a Sox game for this reason. I am the opposite of this. Living in the SW Burbs, I love just getting in my car after the game and heading home. I have never once felt threatened right near US Cellular Field either. Im not opposed to going to Wrigley but the food at the cell is better and its a hell of a lot easier to get there.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) The Yankees not selling out postseason games and the Sox attendance problems have a lot in common. Both teams have old cores that their fans have tired of. In other words, it's time to find good young players. BTW, the Jets game against the Texans Monday night had higher ratings than the Yankees/O's playoff game locally. Of course it did. It's the NFL. I would recommend baseball only have playoff games on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday if they want to win the ratings.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 14, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) there's these things called saturday and sunday games. Really? I didn't know they ever played on Saturday or Sunday. Thanks for informing me.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 04:00 PM) A big reason why the Sox didnt leave 35th and shields is that the STATE told them to stay put. Jerry wanted addison, but the state said chicago was better due to infrastructure(cta, dan ryan, ect) than in the burbs. Can you imagine traffic in rush hour for people going home AND to the sox game in addison/bolingbrook/lemont/ect? It's the same thing the other way around. There are many more Sox fans that live in the suburbs than in the city. I live in SW suburban Lockport and go to 8-10 games per year. I know many people who just cannot drive home from work and then drive all the way to the city for a game. They would rather just watch on tv because it is more realistic. This is a little off topic but I also would love for the Sox to do what the Cubs did and have a minor league team in the state. Kane County games will be huge with the Cubs being there. I wish the Sox could move one of their A affiliates to the stadium in Joliet or Schaumburg.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:36 AM) Yankees. They're the team that will enjoy it least. You left out a few teams... The Thome story would be fine by me. I want the A's to win one finally though. A lot of people hate Billy Beane but he accomplishes a ton with the restrictions put on him. The A's winning a World Series would be a cool story.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) I just looked at Morel's 2012 minor league stats. Yikes. I was hoping that when his back felt better he could live up to the promise he showed in September of 2011. I wonder if the Sox could get Chase Headley in the offseason and how much he would cost.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) No way in hades Castro or Molina are closing to being 3 starters, you can forget that one happening. Santiago has more talent than either one of those guys. What will be interesting is the "tea leaves reading" of all the moves, trying to attribute our offseason to KW or Hahn. For example, will certain posters be thrilled KW is "gone" or will they be even more upset he got a promotion and is perceived to be running the team still? Does anyone believe this will have ANY impact at all on season ticket sales or the perception of the fans, playoffs or not? Will we now not credit KW with getting any more than the 2005 and 2008 teams to the playoffs, officially? Neither one of those guys is the best pitching prospect in the organization. I love the strides that Erik Johnson has taken. IMO, he's their #1 pitching prospect.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:08 AM) Depending on how you view Adam vs. Wise, it could also be a good time. Really? This is dumb. People can be stupid about Dunn all they want but wanting Wise instead of him is just the dumbest thing I have heard so far today.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 1, 2012 -> 07:57 PM) Knights @ Durham Shirek Chattanooga @ Barons Molina Dash @ Salem Snodgress Savannah @ Intimidators Lane Helena @ Voyagers Parrent Courtney Hawkins hit his 1st homer in High A Winston Salem. #8 overall.