[Baseball America's Top 10 White Sox Prospects]

I wouldn't have Martinez, Marinez, or Silverio in my top ten. I'd probably have Hector Santiago, Dylan Axelrod, and Erik Johnson replacing them, though not necessarily in that order.

 

The Baseball America list is pretty bad.

Yes, the BA list is pretty bad, but what can you really expect from Phil? At least he got the first 5/6 right.

 

As for the bottom of the list, for some dumb reason I was thinking Axelrod wasn't eligible, but yes he and Santiago should definitely have been included. I like Johnson as well and think he should be right around 10 - 12.

[Sox sign Venezuelan pitcher prospect]

I really wish we had some insight on how the Paddy deal went down. Seems like it was a lateral move for him, so I'm hoping and guessing we gave him a significant raise over what he was making in Toronto. You have to wonder why AA was willing to let him go.

[Sox sign Venezuelan pitcher prospect]

I really wish we had some insight on how the Paddy deal went down. Seems like it was a lateral move for him, so I'm hoping and guessing we gave him a significant raise over what he was making in Toronto. You have to wonder why AA was willing to let him go.

[Baseball America's Top 10 White Sox Prospects]

I can tell you one thing, Juan Silverio won't be in the top ten. What a joke.

You really think Martinez and Marinez are better prospects?

 

Silverio is still fairly young (turns 21 in April), has a nice set of physical tools, and is coming off a pretty decent season with the bat. He's obviously a huge long-shot and may not even have a true position (he was beyond terrible at 3B last year), but at least he has some upside if he puts everything together. Moreso than a lot of players in our system. Maybe he shouldn't be in the top 10, but he deserves to be ranked ahead of Martinez and Marinez at least.

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[Baseball America's Top 10 White Sox Prospects]

lol Phil Rogers writes for BA now?

He's been doing the Sox list for years.

[Baseball America's Top 10 White Sox Prospects]

Phil Rogers is so f***ing stupid. Not surprised in the slightest that he included Marinez and Martinez in the top 10, despite them having no business being there. I'd take Escobar over Martinez if I had to, but we definitely have a couple other position playing prospects with higher upsides than just a reserve infielder. Mitchell is reaching his make or break year, but he's still a better prospect than Ozzie f***ing Martinez. If I had 30 minutes, I bet I could come up with 3 - 5 more obvious ones. Also, while Wilkins is nothing special, Rogers has the nerve to say he'll be our future 1B but still rates him lower than Martinez. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

As for Marinez, how is Hector Santiago not ahead of him? Hell, I may take Infante or Leesman over him if I'm just looking at relievers that are close to major leage ready. There's also three pitchers from last year's draft I'd rate higher in Johnson, Soptic, & Snodgrass.

[2012 Cuban signees thread Cespedes/Soler/Concepcion]

This isn't happening. The White Sox still have a horrible reputation in the DR and Cuba for the bonus skimming scandal.

 

Also, someone explain to me why an organization that spends no money in the draft would pay top dollar for either of these players.

I don't really see how our bonus skimming scandal would affect us in Cuba. I think the fact that we signed Viciedo months after firing Wilder is proof of that. Not sure why you think it would.

 

As for signing Cespedes, we're talking a near major leage ready 5 tool talent. Guys like that aren't available in the draft, so I don't see how bringing up our lack of spending there really makes sense. You don't think KW would be willing to take a chance on a potential superstar? He's gambled on much less in the past.

[My patience is running out with KW]

And this is normal in January. You don't run out and offer big money to backups to fill out the bench. You offer minor league deals in February to guys who can't find anyone to offer them a starting job.

There's also a lot of time to bring in some bullpen arms on minor league deals too.

 

Right now, the concern should be on the potential big moves like trading Floyd or signing Cespedes. If Floyd returns, then Axelrod is all but a guarantee for the bullpen IMO, so that's one less spot to fill. If we bring in Cespedes, then Lillibridge can spend most of his time in the IF, so the need for a veteran backup IF becomes less critical. The big dominos need to fall before we worry about the little ones.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

Maybe AA is waiting on some other dominoes to fall, which in turn are waiting on other dominoes: Darvish (TEX), Fielder (TOR/WAS/TEX), Garza (TEX/TOR/DET).

Waiting on Darvish would be a mistake. If the Rangers can't get him signed, that just means another possible suitor for Floyd. Most likely, they are still in the running for Garza and won't turn to Floyd or other options until that gets settled. Unfortunately for KW, Garza is probably hindering his ability to move Floyd. Hopefully Epstein hurries the f*** up.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

Yeah, this would have been a spectacular deal. Two quality SP prospects, one with significant upside, who also happens to be major league ready. That's the type of return that KW should be demanding for Floyd. If he can't get it now, then move Floyd at the deadline.

 

Even if this rumor is bulls***, as it appears, I really hope there have some talks with the Jays regarding Floyd. If we can add two more quality SP prospects to the Stewart, Molina, Castro, Santiago, & Petricka mix, we'd be in pretty good shape to build a nice long-term rotation.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

You can never have enough relievers. If they do get Thornton though, that would be one hell of a bullpen. Santos, Thornton, Oliver, Frasor, Janssen, Camp, and Litsch (if he doesn't start).

I don't disagree, but Thornton's $6 million option seems like a lot to take on, especially after signing Oliver and then acquiring Floyd. I have no idea what the Blue Jay's budget is though.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

You can never have enough relievers. If they do get Thornton though, that would be one hell of a bullpen. Santos, Thornton, Oliver, Frasor, Janssen, Camp, and Litsch (if he doesn't start).

I don't disagree, but Thornton's $6 million option seems like a lot to take on, especially after signing Oliver and then acquiring Floyd. I have no idea what the Blue Jay's budget is though.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

If the Blue Jays just signed Oliver, would they really want to take on Thornton's salary as well? That doesn't seem likely IMO.

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

Think Jax would sign for

 

It's not happening.

What other pitcher are you talking about?

[Another White Sox / Blue Jays trade on the horizon?]

Not a chance on earth

I know it will never happen, but that plan would make perfect sense. IMO, Jackson is an upgrade over Floyd. With him, Danks, & Sale, you have three long-term pieces already in your rotation. You'd just need Humber or minor leaguers to fill those last two spots. That would seriously quicken the rebuilding of the pitching staff.

[2012 Cuban signees thread Cespedes/Soler/Concepcion]

You have to admit that sticking to a "The Sox aren't picking up any portion of Peavy's remaining salary" rule this season would be nuts.

 

If the Sox are below .500 at the break and Peavy has pitched well enough that another team will absorb $3-4 million of what he has left, maybe even just the buyout, and give something back that might prove org. filler, the Sox would be crazy to hold him. That's "Fire everything!" level stupidity.

I think you're undervaluing what Peavy would be worth if he pitches like a legit front of the rotation starter. Once you get to the trade deadline, the price to acquire players usually increases, especially for starting pitching. Look what it cost the Cardinals to acquire Jackson (mid rotation starter) and some relief arms. GMs are willing to pay a premium at the deadline if a player is believed to help them make and/or succeed in the playoffs. With the lack of quality SP, the price is always crazy. We wouldn't have to eat much (if any for a team like the Yankees) of Peavy's salary to get something of decent value for him IF he's pitching like a #1 or #2 starter.

[2011-12 White Sox off season catch all thread]

They're much, much, much smarter and cheaper ways of acquiring OF depth. I can appreciate everybody wants Rios, Dunn and Peavy gone. But coming up with these ridiculous scenarios (not just you hi8is) that make no sense at all for the non-White Sox side is not going to make the impossible possible.

Yup, people need to accept the fact that we are stuck with Peavy, Rios, and Dunn until the trade deadline bare minimum. If Peavy is both healthy and performing well, then he should be fairly easy to move by then. However, no one is going to take on Rios or Dunn until they've proven last year was anomalies for them. That may be 4 months of strong performance for some GMs and maybe a full season for others. There's no way of really knowing for sure and until they actually produce like quality players the point is moot.

 

So Peavy will definitely be gone after next season and everyone would move Rios at a drop of a hat no matter how well he was producing at the time, but what about Dunn? If he comes out strong in 2012 and looks like the player he was prior to last year do we keep him? I think that's a tougher question to answer. IMO, his consistencely prior to 2011 would proably convince me that 2011 was an outlier and that we should keep, especially with the void of left-handed hitting in the organization.

[2011-12 White Sox off season catch all thread]

I think some of us do have an idea of the value of a baseball players and it isn't two so-so minor league pitchers for a player like CQ. The trade happened because the GM made some bad decisions and now needs to shed payroll by trading off the better players we have that will and were coring some salary money. We keep the mistakes, who are paid way to much, and continue to suffer. I understand you aren't crazy with the trade and I am certainly not. Reality though is it was done and it's over.

So you are saying KW purposely passed on significantly more value to make this particular trade? Because two "so-so minor league pitchers" is what KW got for Quentin as you said. If that isn't the true value of Quentin, then he must have passed on better trades right? That's what your saying?

 

The reasons KW dealt Quentin are irrelevant to his value. He's worth what is right now because of his current abilities and expected production, not what players like Dunn & Rios are being paid.

 

Your problem here has nothing to do with a lack of statistics, but simply not using basic logic to walk through the scenario. Quentin is worth very little due to his own doing and no one else's. Why is this so hard for you accept?

[Who is the #5 starter in 2013?]

Okay, in that case, they'd have to trade for him, so it doesn't make as much sense....too risky, giving up talent and committing to an uncertain pitcher who has never pitched in the AL before.

 

He's in that Danks/Quentin/Jenks/Crede delicate year-to-year arbitration no man's land. And surely the Braves won't try to extend him unless they're 100% certain about his long-term viability and injury prognosis.

 

So that leaves Kuroda, Rodriguez and Oswalt (that it could be realistically argued would be able to outperform Floyd).

Isn't Rodriguez under contract too?

[The Carlos Quentin Appreciation Thread]

That KW has no vision.

If this is all we could get for CQ, we could have traded him last season IMO.

While that's probably true, he held on to him to keep fans like you happy.

[The Carlos Quentin Appreciation Thread]

I just can't understand the defense of Kenny on here.

The Quentin trade sucked IMO. It's a no brainer to say it sucked. I guess nobody on the Sox we ever trade is worth a s***. To get two hack pitchers for CQ seems pretty lousy to me.

Carlos arguably was the second best hitter on the White Sox last year. I guess our organization is THAT BAD if our second best hitter can't get us a haul of anything but two players who in the words of our own Dick Allen are "garbage."

He's only under control for one more year, what is so hard to understand here?

[The Carlos Quentin Appreciation Thread]

Unfair. Unfair. Unfair.

He has been great the past year and a half mentality-wise.

Carlos Quentin was a gamer. I truly hope we have other hitters (aside from Paulie) who can get as hot as CQ does.

I can't believe a lot of people on here mock Carlos for his injuries but refuse to mock Jake for the same reason.

The guy had 483 plate appearances last year, but he's hurt all the time. Rite.

 

I can't believe the mocking of our own on here sometimes.

Last year - CQ 483 plate appearances, 421 at bats.

2010: 527 plate apps.

2009: 399 plate appearaances, 99 games.

2008: 569 appearances.

So in the last four years, he's played 118 games, 131, 99 and 130. One out of four years he's hurt a ton.

Give me a fricking break regarding CQ. He's a stud IMO.

You are definitely a troll...your posts are beyond ridiculous.

[The Carlos Quentin Appreciation Thread]

About 95% of MLB hitters get their stats in bunches. The guy who is really consistent week to week is pretty rare. If Quentin hits 24 homers and drives in 80 runs only being good 25% of the time, he's pretty spectacular that 25%.

I have nothing to back this up, but he seemed streakier than most. He'd literally go cold for weeks at a time and do so multiple times in a given season. So yes, all players are streaky to some extent, but there's certainly different levels of streakiness and different levels are more acceptable for different players. You definitely need your middle of the order bats to be more consistent than your bottom of the order bats. When a guy like Quentin goes cold for a month it can cripple an entire offense.

 

I honestly don't get why people are so upset about losing him. Between the streakiness and the constant injuries he made a poor middle of the lineup bat. He's a perfect example of why you can't just look at stats in a vaccum. Yes he put up decent numbers in aggregate, but he killed our offense when he was cold or hurt, which was a significant portion of the season.

 

He just might have another MVP-type season before all is said and done, but you'd have to be crazy to give him a long-term deal at over $10 million per year given his recent history. Therefore, he had to go and with Viciedo ready and able to replace him (and hopefully with more consistent production), that time was now. The return may not have been great (probably should have dealt him at the deadline), but it's about what should have been expected at this point. We got one guy with the potential to be an above-average starter and a left-hander who has some talent. Both are far from guarantees, but they add some depth to the numbers game that is building a major league pitching staff via the minor league system. Unless Quentin had a huge first half and managed to stay healthy, we would not have done better at the deadline anyways.

[Jason Frasor Traded to Jays]

He's been worth that kind of money over the last 3 seasons. That's a reasonable contract for him.

Unless I was the Yankees, I wouldn't be willing to offer that contract. 4 years for $40 million seems like a reasonable contract to me, but I'm sure he'll get more than that.