Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) Pen from right side: Frasor Crane Santos Reed Payroll @ $94M Are any of these guys very good at getting lefties out too? If so, it reduces the need for a left-handed setup man and maybe you can by with Santiago or Leesman as a second loogy.

We're definitely strong from the right-side. The bullpen as a whole would be a real strength if we held onto Thornton, although I still think he's gone if we get a half-way decent offer for him.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) Kevin Goldstein of BP said the White Sox system might be the worst he has ever seen. I just wish this team spent money in the draft and didn't follow the Selig slotting reconmendations. Well, that's not going to happen. We just need to hope that the new CBA will include hard slotting or else we'll continue to be at a disadvantage. Also, having some presence in Latin America (outside of Cuba) would help.

Is there going to be an official press conference, because I'd like to the reasoning behind the Parent hiring. There's got to be something we don't know, because on the surface it's a bizarre hiring.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 30, 2011 -> 08:47 AM) I'd say the Blue Jays and the Cardinals won it. The Cardinals got a needed starter for a talented, albeit struggling outfielder. The Blue Jays got a high-upside outfielder and a Kenny contract for Jason Frasor. The White Sox got Jason Frasor and a busted SP spect. There are two winners, and one clear, obvious loser. This post is just ridiculous. Rasmus has done s*** so far for the Blue Jays, yet you have the nerve to call them a clear winner. You can say the Cardinals did well in the trade, but let's wait a couple years before we judge the Sox or the Blue Jays. Only an idiot would try to speak in absolutes right now.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 29, 2011 -> 06:26 AM) The only area that Mac excelled over Frank was steroid aided long balls. Agreed. It's a shame that his greatness will be overlooked by some because of this, although I think almost all smart baseball fans give him credit for being one of the clean guys in a dirty, dirty era. I know it's unrealistic and never going to happen, but I still feel that Frank should have been awarded his third MVP when Giambi admitted to steroid use during that season. I'm still pissed off about that. Anyways, I take Frank over Mac any day of the week. While Mac had a nice steroid fueled run, Frank had one of the greatest 7 year stretches of all-time.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) I'm pretty sure they are picking him up. Picking up his option or bringing him back? The guy is from Chicago and might be willing to accept a more reasonable deal to stick around. I don't how we can afford to pay our third or fourth reliever from the right side $3.75 million when we are looking to cut salary. If they do pick up that option, it's clear as day Thornton won't be returning and we'll be going the cheap, in-house route to replace him. I'm fine with that if you can get a nice return for him and you think Santiago or Leesman can be an adequate replacement. CL: Santos SU: Crain SU: Reed MR: Frasor MR: Ohman MR: Leesman/Santiago LR: Axelrod I could live with that bullpen next year as long as Ohman is used properly (i.e. loogy) and not forced into Thornton's role.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) That's just it. If you were going to keep him, you;d pick up his option. If you aren't, you aren't going to offer him arbit because there is a good chance he accepts and ends up with a better salary than last year. There is no chance in hell Frasor gets more than $3.75 million in arbitration.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Haha, I should stay away from PHT when I drink. I'd think a discount from market value for Mark would be around 12 per. I think if he really wanted to play hardball, he could get 14 from one of the big market teams. I agree, I think a 3 year/$37.5 million offer would be fair and one he might accept.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 01:56 AM) What can I say? I support Ozzie all the way. He gave me the only title of my lifetime and probably the only title of my lifetime. Odds are very slim we'll win one again. And who put that team together???

I like McEwing getting the 3rd base job, but the Mark Parent hiring is bizarre IMO. The relationship to Robin seems fuzzy and he's only had two years of minor league managing experience. Hopefully we find out more in the press conference, because I'm not impressed with this move.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 8, 2011 -> 02:56 AM) Seriously? With a manager that has no experience at all, we'd hire a bench coach that has no major league coaching history? That's about right. I agree. Let's hope they are interested in this guy to be 3rd base coach or something.

My guess is Lamont will be the bench coach. I also think McEwing will get the 3rd base coach job and Manto will get the hitting coach job. I'd prefer Laker be the hitting coach, since he's familiar with the young guys, but the Tribune hinted more towards Manto. I wonder if he speaks Spanish, because we're going to need someone to help with the Cubans and other Latin players.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 07:58 AM) I could get with Pena or Lamont as a bench coach. Those guys have years of managerial experience. Lamont makes perfect sense, because he's a former manager with ties to the Sox & Robin. Plus he's currently not a bench coach, which means his current team is much more likely to grant permission.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) So you think Coop's behavior is warranted and FINE? Or you just dispute what Cowley wrote. Why would a well paid reporter make s*** up? He wouldn't lest he get fired. I give the article my applause. I actually think Cowley's an entertaining writer, I just think he has no integrity and is full of s***. How you can be so oblivious to Cowley's bias is beyond me. He always reports one side of the story (i.e. Guillen's) and tries to make KW look like the vilian. I'll admit KW has his faults and has made several major mistakes in his tenure, but he's not an idiot, scumbag like Guillen. We all get it, Ozzie Guillen tickles your fancy with his wit and funny accent. I just can't believe you have the nerve to believe a guy that performs felicia on the entire Guillen family in exchange for "secret" information.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) Amazing column by Cowley. Wow. Cooper was THAT MUCH of a snake? Wait til the players read this. Horrible joke of a franchise. I just knew KW was sucking up and this proves it. And Cooper? The people who have said what a rotten personality he has? This just makes sense he'd look out for No. 1. I LOVE Ozzie's text to Coop. It's Ozzie's way of letting him know bout Judas. If this is true, Cowley deserves a sports Pulitzer for the scoop. And to think I today was thinking Coop deserved the job over Ventura. Coop sounds like he may ruin the clubhouse next year when this story is made public to the players. Nobody likes a backstabber. Nobody! I think it's time to put down Old Yeller, because this act is getting beyond embarrassing.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) Cowley on Ventura... and how Cooper became Judas. I think the Cowley hate can get over the top on this board, but that is one of the most embarrassing pieces of journalism I have ever seen. This about wraps up any chances of having access with the coaching staff and front office. I hope being Guillen's b**** was worth it in the end.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) I'm willing to give him a chance. Everyone here knows he's going to be the worst manager ever. But remember, a poll here showed that a majority of posters said they managed better than Oz, all Robin has to do is be as good as the average poster here and it's a major upgrade. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81618 I despise every single one of your posts. You are by far the most arrogant and condescending person on this board.

How drunk are you? That's from when took the job of being Buddy Bell's assistant.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 01:35 AM) So you guys get your wish. I won't bury him. I hope he succeeds. He's one of the top managerial prospects in the game if not #1. Given the direction of the team, hiring a first-time manager probably makes the most sense. What is your problem with Martinez? Does he not make enough funnies for you?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 11:43 PM) OK so he'll be batting sixth? Would that be much better? I don't think I'd still be on this board w/out suspension calling somebody a f***ing idiot. Could you edit that? That's not right. He's not a f***ing idiot IMO. He quit on the team?? Cmon. I think you are way off base. The new manager will succeed if the players hit the ball, catch it and pitch it well. Greg, Ozzie is an idiot. Outs are the most precious asset in a baseball game and Ozzie gave them like it was no big deal and rarely for any benefit. His decisions put our team at a huge disadvantage on a daily basis. Refusing to use even basic stats and actually being proud of not using them is proof that he's a complete moron. How can you support a manager in this day and age not be aware of splits? How can one manage a team and not realize that Will Ohman is a f***ing loogy and there's years worth of data to prove it. And on top of it all he's a complete hypocritical coward. He has this Tony Montana tough guy vibe, but the only individual he had the balls to call out was his rookie RF, who clearly not part of the problem. Yes, he did make a jab about Rios, whose lazy play was killing, but he was back in the lineup in a day or two. As for him "not quitting", where was he those last two days and why was Don Cooper managing? Ozzie was under contract next year because he b****ed so much Reinsdorf was forced to pick it up. Then the f***ing coward didn't have the dignity to honor it. Plain and simple he quit on the team. In fact, he quit on the team when he decided the best time to ask for an extension was heading into a pivotal series against Detroit. And on top of it all, he has the nerve to call his team "quitters" and then doesn't show up to the park the last two games because he had already quit to join another team. How can you deny all this?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) I can't believe grown adults, people I respect on here, still think that Ozzie should have benched Rios and Dunn. It slays me. You are gonna be just as frustrated with the new manager when he plays guys who make the loot. But a new manager won't be batting a guy hitting .160 cleanup in August. Greg, why can't you admit Guillen is a terrible manager and a coward? He quit on your favorite team and you can't stop throwing him compliments. He's a f***ing idiot and deep down you know it. One day you'll realize this, most likely next season when the new manager does something smart like look at basic stats or put his players in their best places to succeed. Hopefully this new manager will also drop some quotables so we're all happy.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) Wait, What kids, all the prospects have been traded away for old piles of crap. But, I'm sure that's Ozzie's fault too huh? No, but it's Ozzie's fault that he's a stupid, arrogant p****.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) How well that worked in the last 5 years.. How about they spend on the draft for once? Draft wisely... and build from within. How many big free agent signings have we had in the last five years other than Dunn?

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:45 PM) Not winning the World Series, is failure. How is Kenny's built ball-clubs.. Ozzie's fault? The only time the Sox were successful, Kenny listened to Ozzie.. Are you suggesting that Ozzie told Kenny to acquire Iguchi, A.J., Dye, Everett, Uribe, Harris, Blum, Widger, Ozuna, Jenks, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, Marte, Vizcaino, Shingo, El Duque, and Contreras? Did he have KW draft, develop, and/or call up Beurhle, Garland, Rowand, Crede, and McCarthy? He clearly had nothing to do with Konerko or Thomas. That leaves Podsednik, Garcia, and maybe Timo where Guillen POSSIBLY had some influence. If you want to attribute that roster to KW getting lucky that's one thing. But to even suggest that Ozzie had anything significant to do with its composition proves that you either know nothing about baseball or you just want to slob on Gullien's knob. In the future, please try to use some reason or logic in your posts or simply STFU.