Chicago White Sox

Nothing wrong with bringing back Flowers at $950k. First, he creates some leverage for Hahn to use in trade talks for a legit catching upgrade by being able to say "we have two young catchers we believe in". Second, assuming Hahn can find a LH catcher, Flowers can push Phelgey for the backup spot and potentially provide the organization some depth at the position if he wins the job. Worst case scenario, at that salary he should be moveable in spring training and basically cost us nothing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 08:20 PM) I did include "hold him til the deadline" in there as well. And people are drooling over extra first round picks these days. And teams should be drooling over 25 year old, left-handed starters with 5 years of team control and coming off a 3.7 WAR season. But a late 1st round draft is almost as valuable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:59 PM) Then the Padres won't trade him. If they can't get something like that, they will hold him to the deadline and see if he has a big first half in a contract year or just take the draft pick next offseason. So it's either a Jose Quintana type return or simply taking a draft pick? That's a pretty wide range of outcomes for there to be no potential middle ground.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) I'm not saying he's not good -- just that the perception is that his price is "sky high," and given all the factors I mentioned combined with the fact that the Padres lose additional leverage since they are clearly unable to extend him, I think his ultimate price will be much more reasonable than everyone seems to be predicting right now. 100% agree with everything you've said in this thread. Headley has value and won't come cheap, but we're talking about one year of a very good 3B at slightly below market rate and likely a 1st/2nd round pick. Teams won't be trading an established major league starter with 5 years of team control for him. GMs simply aren't as stupid as they used to be (Dayton Moore notwithstanding). Cost controlled talent is valued at an all-time right now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 1, 2013 -> 10:59 PM) Source material usually is better, I'm not surprised. It seems like most of the characters killed in the comic during this battle were killed, save But his character really hasn't gotten an opportunity Agree with you on source material in general. Unfortunately, this particular part of the comics just felt much more game-changing IMO. Probably because there were a lot more characters killed in the prison attack and some of them were a lot more important in the comics than the TV show.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 1, 2013 -> 11:29 PM) Finally an ACTUAL trade rumor to talk about! Of course this is just part of David Schoenfield's 3-team trade ideas, and not based on anything of substance...but.... In one of his hypotheticals, he has the Sox trading Chris Sale and Addison Reed for Jorge Soler, Gary Sanchez, CJ Edwards, Zoilo Almonte, and Vidal Nuno. For those who may not be prospect heads, those would be the Cubs #3 and #5 prospects, and the Yankees #1, #6, and unranked (Nuno). That wouldn't be a terrible haul for Sale, but I also don't think it's one that needs to be made unless the Sox are getting a ace-type prospect back in the package, like Archie Bradley or Dylan Bundy or Taijuan Walker. Obviously that's a nice collection of hitters, but CJ Edwards is the only good pitching prospects in that scenario, and he only just made it to A+ last year. I would never do that deal straight-up for Sale let alone include Reed in it. IMO, you have to be blown away to trade Sale and that's not enough.

Not really a spoiler, but I think the comic book version of tonight's episode was so much better.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 30, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing. I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'd seriously consider jumping into the Cano market IF the Yankees move on and sign a different major free agent instead. IMO, the only way Cano gets an insane deal is if the Yankees essentially bid against themselves, which is what Cano's agents are clearly pushing for night now. Take them out of the bidding process and you have a completely different market for him. Still unlikely we'd be able to pull off a deal, but I at least hope Hahn would be talking to Cano's agents.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Let's get 90 from Abreu and Viciedo next year and we'll pull that off with ease. Lol...and I thought I was an optimist. We should all be happy with 60 HRs from the two of them next year. I mean, only 11 guys in baseball had 30 or more HRs last year. You're really going to be in for a world of disappointment if you think 90 is a realistic number.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) 4/$49, $12 a year, $1 mill buyout with $13 mill option. Actually a really nice deal for the Twins. Considering Carlos Silva got this same exact deal 5 years ago, I would definitely say it's a nice deal for the Twins in this free agent environment.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Myth: JR is a good owner. QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) I don't hate ownership, never said that. So you like bad owners?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Myth: JR is a good owner. Why are you a season ticket holder if you hate ownership so much?

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) Among others, Denny McLain is saying Avisail Garcia was banging Prince's wife. Which would mean Avi also cheated on his pregnant wife. Yeesh. http://deadspin.com/denny-mclain-says-dome...dium=socialflow I'm not one to need athletes to be role models or even good people, but if this story is true it's definitely a bit worrisome. The one thing you need in a professional locker room is trust amongst one another and to be f***ing a teammate's wife is pretty much as low as it gets. I really hope this is all bulls***.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) Navarro would be a good platoon partner with a decent left-handed catcher but I wouldn't want the Sox to get him as their starting catcher. Yeah, he doesn't really work well with Flowers & Phegley as the other half of the catching tandem.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:49 PM) I bet he doesn't get that much. Oh I totally agree with you, just guessing the biggest dollar amount he could get if someone overvalued him. I mean, Soto just got 1 year at $3M, so I seriously doubt Navarro would get that much more.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:12 PM) I'd take him for like 2-3 years for $15-20M. But with the contract McCann got, it wouldn't shock me to see Navarro get $10M a year from someone. Navarro is not getting anywhere close to $10M a year. Ruiz just get under $9M per and has a much better track record. I'll say 1 or 2 years at $5/$6M per tops.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:35 PM) We traded for Thome who had a big contract from Philly that worked for us. Why wouldn't there be any takers in say the national league that could use a player with his high obp and power enhanced by a huge discount. Dunn had a .320 OBP last year, which would put him 97th overall in baseball. Above-average sure, but I definitely would not qualify that as high. Unfortunately as a true three outcome player, that low of an OBP simply doesn't cut it.

Super Mario Kart was definitely the most challenging and rewarding game in the series, since it required legitimate skill to be good at. Probably the best Mario Kart game from a technical standpoint, but being limited to two players does suck if you go back now and want to play multiplier. Regardless, I still had a f***ton more fun playing Mario Kart 64 than the SNES version. Just so easy for anyone to pickup and play. Double Dash was pretty good as well, but lost some the magic of the 64 one for whatever reason.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 08:16 AM) Have you played Mario Galaxy 1 and 2? Because the improvements are right there The Galaxy games represent some of the best pure gaming ever IMO. It will be interesting to see how 3D World stacks up to them.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 04:55 PM) For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold. Have Tanaka, Garza, Santana, & Nolasco signed yet? How much starting pitching has been traded so far? Unless a team gets aggressive, Hahn needs to wait for the market for his players to establish itself.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 04:11 AM) D. It's his opinion.. j/k I'm not going to argue stats, but i too think salty ain't that good. Strikes outa bunch, can't trow, ca't hit lefties. For 10 mil, i'd bring AJ back for probably less. And people here know i wasn't too fond of AJ his last few years here.... But we're talking about two players who play two completely different positions and two organizations with completely different needs and resources. Whether the Royals signing Vargas to a $4/32M deal or the Sox signing Salty to a 4/$40 are good moves is completely irrelevant to one another. Each move needs be evaluated separately in their own context.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) Here's what scares me about Phegley. A. He's a bad defender. He really doesn't have any tools behind the plate. B. His swing is ugly. The plane is weird. It looks manufactured and it's slow. C. I haven't seen him actually square up many balls. Even the HR's he's hit have been a result of a huge guy making decent contact. They're pushed out. There's no pop off the bat. They're just giant fly balls. I need to see him hit a couple rockets. No tools behind the plate? Doesn't he have a great arm?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:53 PM) Almost as ridiculous as giving Roy Oswalt $5 million. When have I ever said anything about Roy Oswalt?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:40 PM) Yeah, but Vargas has 3 out of 4 over 1.5. Salty is primarily based on one season. Judging by what you supposedly are supposed to pay per WAR, this contract isn't so out of line. Any time you give a pitcher 4 years, it is a gamble. Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) Last 4 years, Vargas 7.2 WAR. Last 4 years, Salty 7.3 WAR, yet Vargas sucks a crazy overpay at 4 years $32 million and Salty is worth 4 years and $40 million. Explain. You've got to be the king of cherry-picking stats. Why don't we look at just the last 3 years? Salty at 7.1 vs Vargas at 4.5. Or how about the last 2 years? Salty at 5.5 vs Vargas at 2.3. Or maybe just last year? Salty at 3.6 vs Vargas at 1.5. Nope, let's purposely include the year (2010) when Salty had 30 plate appearances in order to make some bogus claim. We all get you think Salty sucks. Do you really have to derail a completed unrelated thread with this nonsense?