Chicago White Sox

Seems like Crochet (if he’s willing to pitch in October), Kopech, & Pham would solve a lot of problems for you guys.

The title says it all. We have one of the worst offenses in modern baseball history and little to no pieces that will be part of the next good one outside of possibly Robert (if not traded), Baldwin, & Lee. As such, Getz will almost have to build an entire lineup from scratch which will be no easy feat. And to make matters that much harder, a ton of our top positional prospects have struggled this year in Colson (85 wRC+ in AAA), Ramos (66 wRC+ in AAA), & Gonzalez (77 wRC+ in AA). The three more advanced OF prospects in our system in Colas (97 wRC+), Fletcher (89 wRC+), & DeLoach (93 wRC+) all look more like AAAA guys. And there’s not a ton at the young levels to get excited about with Zavala hitting below .200 (despite an elite BB rate) and Burrowes mostly a disaster. Wolkow is obviously highly intriguing but has a long ways to go with the K rate before he enters the long-term plan and Ronny Hernandez has been a pleasant surprise this year but is a 19 year old catcher in A ball. As I‘ve stated before, I do have confidence in Bannister and the pitching side of things, but the outlook for the offense is beyond a bit terrifying. What should the plan be there? How do we go about building something capable and in a quick enough fashion to match up with the timeline of the pitching? And have we ever seen a GM have to accomplish this large of a task in recent memory, especially with positional prospects harder than ever to pry from other organizations?

Five real reasons for bumping this thread: Team is historically bad and well beyond Getz’s expectations Despite the awful results, the entire coaching staff still intact Right now, the Mena & Santos trades look highly questionable Have made no gains in terms of positional player development Incredible seller’s market and we may come out empty handed

It just sucks because had they started him in Charlotte for a month (which would have been completely readable) they would be able to sell him with three years of control this offseason. I’m just annoyed he didn’t handle this quietly and had his agency leak this to the press. Probably wouldn’t have changed the outcome, but this comes off real fucking selfish in my mind even if he has every right to be worried about misuse and his health in general.

I have and right now he looks like a poor man’s Dominic Fletcher (and I don’t mean that in a good way). Yes, I’m aware of the defense value he brings, but there is no hope for this franchise until we start adding multiple everyday guys who can hit 20+ HRs while sporting average or better OBP’s. And since Fedde might be our only big chip we move, it needs to be for a guy who can help this offense in the next year or two. My bigger worry is that Getz will simply acquire more pitching and claim they will flip from their surplus at a later date to fix the offense. And that would the final nail in the coffin for me in terms of having any hope for Getz ever being able to build an offense.

It’s starting to feel like the only thing that could save the franchise. Unfortunately Jerry would never nut up for that and would prefer a lineup of David Eckstein’s.

Did you literally come up with this plan and forget about our best prospect and one of the three or four best pitching prospects in all of baseball?

I still can’t believe Crochet went to the media with this s%*# after what the org has done for this year. Just what an absolute fucking disaster. Every start from here on out will be watched the greatest angst until if/when he’s traded.

I just can’t get behind this as our only big trade. We desperately need offense wherever we can get it from and that’s not Scott. I think there are better options than St. Louis for Fedde.

100%. He will be a star the moment he has something to play for. I get that pisses some people off, but it’s hard to stay motived when you play for Pedro Grifol and will likely be competing for the all time worst record.

Well luckily for us we none of our prospects are hitting in Charlotte so we can trust the stats ?

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I’m going to assume he meant Maldonado given how much he’s stanned for him all year

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We need to find eight or nine hitters. That will be impossible to do without getting a couple of high end prospects for Crochet.

And what’s wild is due to injuries, we almost immediately had OF needs and they basically went out and blocked these guys. Now, based on their AAA results this year, they probably haven’t warranted a shot, but that again points to poor evaluations on these guys.

He gave up a top 10 org prospect for Fletcher and a potentially very valuable, controllable reliever for DeLoach (and others). The evaluations on both guys look highly suspect at the moment and it’s just wild that both are rotting in AAA as we speak. That being said, I think he did fairly well in the Cease trade and the Fedde signing was obviously a HR. But generally speaking, we have wasted a ton of playing time on positional guys who have little to no “flip” upside. I will never understand the point of trading for 26 & 25 year old prospects if you weren’t going to give them actual opportunities to become long-term contributors.

He was heavily involved in the hiring of Pedro per Merkin

To be fair, the O’s could still trade for Crochet because they will need another starter for next year. I don’t think they will now with the extension news and this trade, but not completely impossible.

I really don’t like the Cardinals system for our needs

Honestly, I don’t blame Crochet for feeling the way he does, but the Sox have done everything to make Garrett a rich man and faster than they should have by not optioning him. And then he goes out to the media and completely fucks us over. It really sucks because he should have probably opened the season in Charlotte, but alas here we are and now not benefiting after doing him a solid.

The Sox will be threatening for the worst record in modern baseball history this year lead by an epically bad offense. The system is completely devoid of high certainty and/or high impact positional prospects and it’s very clear that we still don’t know how to develop minor league hitters. If we keep Crochet & Robert, Getz has to upgrade eight lineup spots without the ability to convert one of these valuable assets into multiple pieces. To say that would be challenging would be the understatement of the century. The fate of this rebuild is 100% hinged on how well does this deadline and/or this offseason (if offers aren’t there). If he botches this and accepts a subpar return for these guys, the rebuild will take significantly longer. As such, the pressure is immense right now for Chris Getz.

I’m not whining about Getz here…just worried the return makes it harder to imagine a Robert trade happening, at least one to our liking.

It probably is worth highlighting that the Mariners have a top 2 system with eight prospects in the top 100, so guys in this area are mid top 10 org guys in almost any other system. That being said, I still don’t think this return wreaks of a market desperate for bats.

His numbers are down this year, but also has a super low BABIP and a wOBA below his xwOBA. In a market lacking bats, I’m shocked this is what he went for.