Chicago White Sox

Just to be clear, the trade would be taking Hosmer at $30M to get two controllable arms with surplus value. Anything you get out of Hosmer would be a plus. That’s the concept and by including Sheets the move would be net neutral from a 1B-DH type position.

Would probably make more sense

What’s this Dallas pitching thing about? Tony confirmed he’s part of the rotation today, so doubtful that Velasquez & Lopez have both passed him if that’s what Harold was getting at.

I’m guessing they keep everyone on five days rest and you get Kopech plus whoever his tandem starter will be.

Hosmer’s stats vs RHP since joining San Diego: 2018: 124 wRC+ | 10.3% BB rate | 22.5% K rate | .167 ISO | 25.5% HR/FB 2019: 103 wRC+ | 5.8% BB rate | 26.1% K rate | .184 ISO | 25.0% HR/FB 2020: 161 wRC+ | 6.8% BB rate | 18.4% K rate | .266 ISO | 26.9% HR/FB 2021: 109 wRC+ | 10.6% BB rate | 17.7% K rate | .128 ISO | 11.7% HR/FB ISO, HR/FB, & Hard Hit (not shown) rates way down from his recent norms, but the K & BB rates were good and he was still 9% above league average against RHP. He’s a strict platoon guy, but I’d probably gamble $30M on him as role player if it gets me two young arms that can help me win now. Just got to be willing to eat the contract if it doesn’t work out.

Probably makes the most sense, but I’d probably keep him around for a couple months in case he shows enough to be moved for some salary relief. If not, you’re giving ~3% of your CBT space to acquire two controllable arms that can give you innings right now. It all comes down to how much my scouts & Katz like the two young arms. Financially I think it could work this year and be minimally disruptive moving forward even if released.

You’d still have to give up a couple good prospects and/or Sheets I’d imagine. The real challenge here is Moose’s contract is massive and would add considerable payroll, which I don’t see happening. Also, what’s happening to Vaughn in your plan?

I’m assuming the $30M sticks with the Padres, so the cash impact and luxury impact would be the same for the Sox (that’s how Spotrac is treating the Arenado deal). And to be clear, I wouldn’t give a ton of playing time to Hosmer. I’d basically let him DH a couples times a week against tough RHP. If he can’t be successful in that role or we couldn’t find someone absorb a portion of his deal with us, I’d simply release him. To me, this type of move is all about buying major league ready pitching depth and spreading the cost over a four year period.

Which is why Burr, Crick, & Sousa are near locks to make the team. I agree, I think they acquire one more pitcher from outside the organization and go with one extra positional guy for a month.

Cease is starting game 2 & Kopech game 3. Dallas’ first start and who will be the #5 still not confirmed yet.

The press release says 34 are left, but there are three guys who will be moved to the DL in Lynn, Kelly, Crochet. The bubble guys remaining are: Mendick Adolfo Zavala Burr Crick Sousa Two or three of them will need to be cut depending on the Anderson situation.

So this is a trade that actually works according to BaseballTradeValues: CWS get: RHP Chris Paddack, Ryan Weathers, 1B Eric Hosmer, & $30M cash SDP get: Gavin Sheets This is basically the Mets trade with Sheets instead of Dom Smith and Weathers instead of Pagan. The Sox would be on the hook for ~$7.5M of Hosmer’s salary each year for the next four seasons. Our cut of Hosmer’s salary along with Paddack & Weathers’ salaries would roughly be the same amount of money that Manaea will make this year. Obviously BBTV is not overly accurate, so which side says no to theoretical deal?

Not that I’m aware of, but the Reds might be willing to move Mahnle for a huge discount if you take on a big portion of Moose’s contract and if you like Paddack there may be a path to acquisition if you take on half of Hosmer’s. Again, I’m not sure Jerry would ever go for that, but I know either one would make Caulfield very happy.

We don’t have the ammo to trade for a stud.

Honestly, I really struggle what you can acquire without dealing Vaughn. Would almost have to take on a bad contract. I think we’ve got some payroll flexibility still, but Hahn has never shown a willingness to take a bad player to get another with surplus value.

Probably not, but to be fair, it’s a completely different value equation given the extra year of control.

Stone was just on The Score with Lawrence Holmes. Said we were finalists with the Padres for Manaea but the A’s liked the Padres’ offer better. Stated pretty confidently that the Sox will continue to look for a quality starter. He did mention Montas as possibility, but pointed out that he’ll be more expensive than Manaea. He concluded by saying if the Sox don’t add another quality starter it won’t be from a lack of effort.

The Padres were willing to eat ~$30M of Hosmer’s contract, which would put his cash salary for us around $7.5M per year for the next four years. Paddock makes $2.3M this year. We could squeeze both in this year for roughly the same price as Manaea. Still not sure I’d do that deal though.

I’m not touching Bauer even if he was free. I get he wasn’t convicted of anything, but he’s got enough of a track record of general douchiness that I don’t want him in our clubhouse.

I have it as a C+ after the McGuire trade. The positional side is in great shape with tons of depth throughout including Burger, Gonzalez, & Haseley at AAA. Not addressing the rotation prevents it from being any higher though. Hahn is putting a ton of faith in Keuchel rebounding and Lopez & Velasquez to be quality depth options. It could all unravel very quickly with some injury bad luck, which is unfortunate since there were quality starters available at reasonable prices in free agency.

We need to an extra option year for him due to all his injuries FWIW

I guess there is some logic on waiting for roster sizes to shrink, but the kid should get almost no playing time in April so I don’t really see how he builds up his value.

Yeah, it’s starting to feel like a big miss. With Pollock & McGuire in the fold, the positional side is pretty loaded with quality depth in AAA. The core members of the pitching staff are great when healthy, but it only takes a couple of a big injuries to unravel that. It’s amazing how much Manaea would help mitigate that.

This year is going to be a big test. The Sox actually have some talented arms in the lower minors between Thompson, Dalquist, Kelley, Burke, & Vera. They represent a sizable portion of our total investment in the draft and international free agency in recent years. If we don’t see some promising signs out of that group this year then it’s time to start questioning whether Getz should be overseeing our player development system or not.