Chicago White Sox

There is zero chance DeJong isn’t moved.

Honestly, I think someone acquires Flexen for rotational. In some ways, he may be a decent guy to pair with Crochet if you’re looking to temporarily ramp down his innings until the playoffs. I don’t disagree that he won’t command much, but soaking up innings above replacement level has some value to it. As for Soroka, he’s been good as a reliever and is only owned $1M for the final third of the season. I’m less confident about him getting moved, but don’t think the money will the primary factor. Honestly, I could see the Sox holding him if they don’t at least get a Grossman type return.

You don’t think Flexen gets dealt? Obviously it wouldn’t be a big return, but I think he 100% is traded for something.

I would trade Andrew Vaughn for anything of value if I had the chance. He is a guy I just don’t have faith in to hit enough to commit to long-term.

Way too early to call Ramos a bust bro

I voted for 10 players to be traded by the deadline. Guys that are 100% being moved IMO are Fedde, Flexen, Kopech, DeJong, & Pham. While Fedde and Kopech aren’t rentals, I think it’s obvious the former’s value will never be higher and that the org is probably over dealing with the latter. As such, I think we are looking at a floor of about five guys being moved. Beyond that, I think we see three more relief pitchers moved as long as the value is there (Brebbia, Banks, & Soroka). That leaves Robert & Crochet as my other two choices and while not 100% slam dunks to be moved, I think the market will be there and at least one team will pony up for each of them. There are a few others who could be moved, with Steven Wilson and Mike Clevinger the most likely. I just feel the Sox hold Wilson for one more season to enhance his value given his length of control and worry that Clevinger won’t have enough runway between now and August 1st to build interest. Unfortunately, I don’t see markets for the other positional guys. If Moncada were back by the deadline and we were willing to eat the bulk of his salary, then I’d vote for him as well but right now his status is a massive question mark.

As we’re roughly four weeks away from the trade deadline, I wanted to see who people thought would likely be traded by August 1st. As such, I’ve created the following multi-choice poll to get people’s thoughts on both our pitchers and positional players who will likely be shopped, even if some of them probably have negative value and would require taking a bad contract in return (ex: Benintendi). That being said, please vote for all players you expect to be moved and not who you’d personally like to see traded. For reference, the Sox traded seven players last year and while that was a lot, it seems like this year could blow that figure out of the water.

Why is his trade value certainly less than it was four months ago? His velocity is back and his secondary numbers are all much improved vs. last year (and his K & BB rates are better than 2022). In this market, he’s probably worth the same if not more than he was during spring training. And that’s not intended to be a dig against Getz as a healthy, productive Cease was always going to be worth more come the deadline but required taking on some risk that may not have worth it to us.

You mean they should axe Paddy?

Fedde currently ranked 14th overall in fWAR amongst pitchers at 2.4. Given his cheap salary and extra year of control, he should be in demand by small and mid market teams. A 50 FV positional prospect plus a solid secondary piece should be very much achievable.

Yeah, this idea that only Harold and Aly wanted to see Crochet used as a SP is hilarious. The vast majority of this board wanted to try him as a SP. I know several of us (myself included) wanted begin that conversion in the minors to allow for a more gradual buildup and to gain an extra year of control, but Hahn sticking with Crochet as a reliever was genuinely panned by this board.

FWIW, this quote came from Jim Bowden based on two NL GMs with interest in Crochet.

You’re undervaluing him greatly. He was a 5 win player last year and his wRC+ is nearly identical now. His hip injury has definitely impacted his defense some this year and he clearly isn’t giving his all given how god awful this team is. IMO, he’s easily a 5 win player if healthy and even if you want to discount his value some for that factor, you need to account for the fact the value of a win isn’t linear and guys capable of putting 5+ win seasons are worth substantially more than the standard $9/WAR assumption most people use.

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Right or wrong, Getz was certainly the snitch who got it Jerry to finally make a change.

Wow, that would be awful. Norby’s K rate has skyrocketed this year and his D remains a big question mark. He’s certainly not a centerpiece and there are multiple guys in that system I’d prefer as a secondary piece.

What happened to Balta? I just assumed he lost a ban bet to Ron.

Yikes…just saw Jesse Chavez’s numbers.

@caulfield12 - I got nothing but love for you, but you really need a thread title editor.

Just not my type of people. Had I lived in the city and not the suburbs I may have felt differently, but we both missed Chicago and ultimately decided we needed to move back before my older kid was too old.

Yup, nice town. Very glad to be back in the Chicago area. How long have you been in Elmhurst for?

I moved to Nashville for three years post the Machado signing and moved back to the Chicago area about two years ago right before the “Sox to Nashville” rumors.

Of the positional guys at #5 we are considering, who do you think might be willing to take ~$1.3M less than slot (if any)? It’s basically the difference between #5 & #8. Maybe Griffin?

I live down the street from Ryan Sloan and would love to find a way to push him to #43 on an over-slot deal. Probably impossible without a massive underslot at #5, but damn would that be fun and exciting.

Definition of SSS but a 24% K rate is actually something to get excited about