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QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 08:34 PM) I'm starting to wonder if this is rebuild or not or they just wanna trade the adam laroche whiny babies. Good either way. Traded two whiny babies for 3 of the best flame-throwing SP prospects in the game, the #1 hitting prospect in baseball, Mr. Upside Basabe, and Dunning & Diaz. Pretty sure they are gonna keep trading though. Watch for another fleecing. Pretty soon we will have traded 3 guys for 10-12 pretty badass prospects.

I also don't understand the Meadows hold up on the Pirates' end. They can flip Q at any point until his last deadline for a top prospect + more. Miller, Chapman, Samardiziijizaaza have proven that. The fact that we can only get quantity instead of quality is garbage. Q has 4 years left. 4. Gimme 4 top prospects. Unless the Pirates think Cutch is done being a superstar, then I get it. But then they are screwed anyway running Meadows & Glasnow out there instead of Cutch n Q.

Quintana means more to the Pirates than most other contenders- his contract in this day and age is a franchise-saving move for them. They won't be a player for pitching next offseason. So it's either Quintana/Archer or they have to roll with their young guys. But that doesn't likely get them over the Dodgers/cubs/Nationals hurdle. Tough spot for them. Meadows/Bell/Newman sounds so juicy to me.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 26, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) Lol take it easy! I just don't get the hype. Lopez I get the hype. I've went back and watched Glasnow's appearances on MLB.tv and don't get it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) So the guys we dealt for Sale ARE proven? The level of proveness isn't the argument i'm making obviously. Read the rest of it. Glasnow's stuff isn't electric and he walks tons of guys.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) ? Glasnow is easily the best of those 3. Dominated at every level of the minors and didn't even do that bad in his first callup with everything going wrong for him. Not high on meadows. Fills a need I just don't think he's anything special. I just don't understand why the Sox would trade proven Quintana for an unproven right hander who has walked tons of guys at every level. I just watched his start against StL and was unimpressed. Sits 92-94 from the right side and is definitely wild. CIN touched him up twice. Why is this frickin guy supposed to be our prize. The guy we got Lopez blows this stooge out of the water. At least he has electric stuff and is wild. Glasnow has lame stuff and is wild.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:11 AM) From what I have been reading it seems like the Pirates are intent on keeping Austin Meadows and playing him in Center while trading McCutcheon. The Sox obviously want Meadows, not McCutcheon. No way around that for the Pirates unless they trade McCutcheon for an elite young position player prospect like Robles and then trade Robles or Meadows to the Sox, I doubt that they can. The Pirates may have to make a decision, pony up Glasnow and Meadows for Quintana and keep McCutcheon for the time being, or no deal for Quintana. Meanwhile there is no urgency for the Sox to trade Quintana. I agree. Now that's the Christmas Spirit- bend Hutchinson over the rain barrel and give him some season's greetings. Top MLB pitcher on a ridiculous contract is worth a team's best prospect. There's really no rational way for Hutch to weasel out of that argument. Gotta pay to go for the World Series. Merry Christmas Soxtalk brothers and sister!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Todd Frazier on the open market would get how much per year? If EE is a $20 million player, Frazier is probably in the $12 to 15 million range, tops? His arb estimate this year is $13.5 million. He is a one dimensional hitter, who had by far his worst year defensively. He put up big negatives in UZR and Range factor. He even put up a Dwar that was negative by two wins. That would make him a one dimensional player. Can i play Hawk for a minute? I don't give a yahoo about the defensive "stats" Stoney, because those still have a long way to go to catch up to their offensive counterparts. I'll tell you one thing. Todd Frazier is a championship third baseman on a contender. He gets his butt down on every pitch and he'll get every routine ball hit his way. He can even sprinkle in some big-time plays at some really big times. Is he Nolan Arenado or Adrian Beltre over there? No. But he's a chanpionship third baseman. Lotta teams at the deadline with a hole over there will be looking for a guy like that.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) See you all after Christmas for more circle jerking I never pictured Soxtalk as a big circle of dudes getting excited around a giant Sox logo painted on the floor. Spirit, mind & now body Jerksticks. Forgive my halfassedness these years

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) Most small businesses in that position will first try to implement more automation (like Amazon Go) to save on salaries...and the majority will simply ask/expect the workers who are getting "raises" to the new minimum wage level to work 50% harder, or they will cut down from 4 workers to 3, etc. There are numerous studies out there ACTUALLY demonstrating that unemployment hasn't risen in those states with minimum wage hikes (recent years)....and a number of studies are also looking at a guaranteed "universal basic income" which amounts to roughly $2,000 per month for most lower-cost of living states. Let's say you earned $7.50 per hour, that would essentially project to a salary of $15,000 per year. You wouldn't pay any taxes on that salary (other than SS and Medicare/Medicaid) and the government would subsidize that family with an extra $750 per month (tax free). Once again, there are tons of studies supporting the idea that this "found" money is plugged right back into the economy, and not primarily on drugs/alcohol/cigarettes as many conservative assert. https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster Minimum Wage Mythbuster Automation isn't so simple for all businesses. I did pizza shop last time, let's look at a bakery this time: 6 Counter girls up front - $8 minimum wage 1 Manager for storefront - $15 8 Bakers - $25 2 cleanup guys - $8 minimum wage What happens when min wage goes up to $13: Counter girls up front - $13 minimum wage Manager for storefront, gotta up that pay- $20 Bakers, gotta up the pay - $30 Cleanup guys - $13 I did the math. So for one day that costs the owner an additional $680 per day for the same labor force. That comes out to an additional $4080.00 per week! This doesn't factor in the fact that ALL of the raw product like eggs, sugar, flour etc are going to be more expensive because those suppliers will also be hit with increased labor costs. How does a mom n pop shop generate that additional 5+k per week (including raw material increase)? There is only one way. Raise the s*** out of prices. Of course the big chains like Jewel & Walmart can absorb the hit so their cakes etc will be way cheaper. Will the neighborhoods be able to pay $2 for a frickin donut? $50 for a lil birthday cake? Using your advice caulfield, the business could automate. Not sure how. They could fire all neighborhood ladies working up front and use self checkout. They could fire some bakers and make the remaining guys work harder. Any way you slice it...prices go up & jobs go away. You can apply this model to nearly any mom n pop shop. People making a living in the public sector don't understand this crap and keep voting for it. The poor will become poorer, not richer, with minimum wage hikes. Less jobs and more expensive products. Walmart will be all that's left. Drive through any small town.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) With the Sox rebuilding is there a chance they give Burdi a chance as a starter in the minors? Not sure man. Maybe "if it ain't broke..." is the way they will approach this guy. Plus the Sox have quite a bit of quality SP depth to groom Burdi to be Andrew Miller on steroids. I'd kinda like to see that- could quickly become a fan favorite if that materializes.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) One thing to remember is, that is the amount taxed on ordinary income. The wealthier you are, the less likely your income is "ordinary"...it is far more likely to be in the vein of capital gains, etc....which have a significantly lower tax rate, which is ultimately why the effective tax rates of the wealthy can be much lower then expected. The people who actually have an effective tax rate closer to that 40% rate, are going to be more the people who are making close to those income levels (say 500K / yr)...so maybe a doctor or a good lawyer or a finance executive, strong sales guy, higher up engineers / IT people, etc. Those people are less likely to have anything they can deduct and they'll pay the most (even though at that income level, while they are certainly well off...they aren't what you would consider the ultra wealthy or anything along those lines). Yes. This is exactly what I'm saying. When Hillary says "pay their fair share" she's really just screwing over the highly educated & the entertainers. Warren Buffett and other corporate fatkats, who the young and poor love to hate, still walk away unscathed. I will say this, the proposed 15% corporate tax rate would really help small business. Especialy cook county suburbs. Those mom & pop shops are going to be absolutely crushed by the minimum wage hike. We're talking complete decimation. 15% would help many stay alive.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) It might be this thread or how Astros fans claimed they wouldn't want to give up a top 50 prospect for an alledged borderline #2 starter but I don't want to deal with Houston anymore. I hope they get shelled in the divisional series and that their top prospects bust. Reading their fan reactions and that Dave Cameron article completely turned me off. Pirates all the way baby. For sure. Q is easily worth Bregman plus. Adding Frazier makes sense to fill their hole so they can try to win the WS this year. Gotta fill everybody's hole to make em happy. Filled hole, fulfilled man.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Isn't that classical GOP thinking? The foundations/churches/non-profit and private sector should take over from the government? That theoretically, the government shouldn't have to pay for any research, because the "free market" will figure out a way to develop it and deliver it to market in the most profitable and efficient way? (Of course, this doesn't work quite so well with "for-profit" prisons, the majority of charter schools or the development of the nuclear bomb.) But where is there evidence that giving the MAJORITY of the tax breaks to the Top 10-20% of wage earners and corporations results in any tangible benefits for the bottom 80%? Haven't we seen this tried over and over again since the 1980's? What has been the result, other than the accumulation of more wealth at the top and less at the bottom (see Thomas Picketty's book for tons of illustrations, looking at countries around the world, not just the US). At any rate, your theories will quickly be tested with the "replace" part of ObamaCare... Get outa here with your trumped up trickle down talk. Nobody named me was proposing that. If i understand the brackets correctly, the top % of wage-earners currently pay 40%? That's a s*** ton if true. Curious what the Bernieites and Hillaryans think it should go up to to make it a "fair share". 50-60%? And these aren't even the rich people of America. These are the doctors, lawyers, athletes & entertainers...who all donate tons of money. But they aren't the rich. I mean rich enough but not the smart super rich running businesses (the charitable corporate bastards). I'm not saying lower it, just wondering how high becomes too high. I'm not saying privatize research either caulfield...because i didn't say that. I'm just saying if you go after the semi-rich mentioned above, which is a super popular talking point to rally the "revolution of the young people", you're not only removing the incentive for those young people to go to school for 10 years, but you're also going to remove 100s of millions, maybe billions, of yearly charitable donations. Uncle Sam will get it instead of child leukemia etc. You really think Uncle Sam can better direct the use of $10M than the rich guy who's kid died from leukemia, who wants to prevent other kids from the same fate. I don't buy it. I feel like $10M is a piece of dust to Uncle Sam, lost in the redtape of some wasteful govt program developing canine soldiers or something.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:28 PM) Carl Ichan for special advisor in regulatory overhaul, also to help pick next SEC head. https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/81168034...src=twsrc%5Etfw I honestly wonder what everyone who allegedly voted for Trump out of economic populism makes of all his ridiculous picks and the Republicans rush to funnel even more money to the wealthy while screwing everyone else This is speculative. We could tax the s*** out of the rich and wipe out the majority of charitable donations that go to science and medicine and whatnot. Tax those absolute charitable bastards! String em up! Pay your fair share! Quit paying for most of our science and research! Give it to a social program that runs out of money after we get dependent on it! Quit employing people like me! Make the poor poorer! Just messin. I just love idealism vs realism.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) Barring a surprise Abreu trade, I think I'm gonna miss Q more than anyone else dealt this offseason. I thought the Sale trade was pretty bad, but at least I had come around to letting go of Sale. Same goes for Eaton, and the return in that trade really washed away any tears about his departure. But there is a workmanlike quality to Quintana that will not be easy to replicate with the kind of production Q has provided. He's gotta go, it's what is best long term, but in my heart of hearts I'd rather keep him. Well put sir

I'm thinking max gas, max slider, all year. 200 IP 234K 64BB

Like mags is saying...Bregman then Meadows. The other teams' top dogs, meeehhhh.

I'd rather Nancy Reagan the Yankees offer since it will have to involve Torres and I don't want the stress of rooting for a cubs prospect because I still want them all to fail. Ugh.

Interesting how Glasnow and Kingham and Hansen are still somewhat in the talks. These were the big 3 we discussed ad nauseum for Peavy. None really impacted MLB yet. Hansen nosedive

I know this is the Giolito thread but I have a sneaking suspicion that Lopez is the prize the FO wanted all along. Giolito is icing on the cake and he's arguably the top pitching prospect in the game. Lopez is going to be a star- watch the 11k game.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:17 AM) I'm with this guy, except more steals and maybe a tad less homers. Thinking around 15 and 30 respectively. I can get behind this. 50 XBH would be awesome.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) Are any of the Yankees positions player prospects just raking the ball in the minors? Is there a potential Kris Bryant type bat in their system? Are there any sure bets out of their top ten prospects? I'd rather have one premier prospect than a bushel full of minor leaguers who may or may not make it very far in the bigs. I agree. A top twenty starter with that contract should net as close to a can't miss prospect as one could expect. You'd think 2.

200 innings. Most runs ever.

.315/.330/.470 20 bombs, 20 steals, 100 runs