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Danks does have value. 200 innings of moderate toilet is better than less innings or full toilet. Surprisingly, there is value but maybe not until next deadline.

Soler looks like he's going to be the best of the bunch. His stats in the minors tell me he just waits for his pitch and crushes it.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) crazy. Detroit's pen is terrible and KC signed Downs yet neither of these teams claimed Thornton lol. Seriously, wtf is a few million to Detroit this year and next. This is their window...that Jose Abreu is personally shutting.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) You mean wen-DEL-ken? nvm I still think Morel could have been a star if it was pronounced Morl instead of mo-REL. too snobby sounding.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Is Beckham gone yet Can somebody just go to his house and slash 2 of his tires. Nobody has 2 spares.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) Wake me up when we draft Jake Bearclaw. Haha. I love this thread title so much.

My brother and I were saying Robin should have broken etiquette and showed up Belly on the mound somehow. We had the idea of Robin motioning to the bullpen and somebody brings out a dead cat and drops it on the mound and then he makes Belly hand the dead cat the ball.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 2, 2014 -> 10:09 PM) Please give examples of boneheadedness that do not show up in statistics Because you can never say what would have happened for sure if said boneheadedness never occurred. It's easy tonight because you can speculate with some degree of confidence that we probably win the game if he catches it. But getting picked off in the 3rd inning is much tougher.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 2, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) De Aza batting .313 with an .813 OPS over the last 2 months It's not a good fit. General Boneheadedness is not a quantifiable statistic but if it were it would negate plenty of the value you speak of.

Long-targeted, could be revisited, and hope to tell the fan base sometime are the key parts of his quotes, as some have suggested. We want this mystery guy bad so who is it? Our approach under KW/RH is to grab damn-near MLB-ready guys. I woul guess the following: Not a 3B- why use Reed's value to get a guy that isn't your guy anyway. Not a MI- just due to depth. Franklin wouldn't be revisited now. Not 1B- c'mon. MLB ready C, OF or Pitcher by default?

I wonder if franks MVPs were a result of his fabulous defense. Or maybe he hit the s*** out of the ball on a playoff team.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:16 PM) Nah, Trout has a 173 wRC+, Abreu 162. That means Trout has hit 11% better. OBP matters more than SLG. No way. Triple crown stats & playoffs is it. I still think Jose wins the triple crown as a rookie.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 10:21 PM) Damn, I just posted pretty much the same at Baseball Think Factory. He def needs to learn when guys are going around him and IMO he's doing a better job of it, we saw it tonight when he took his walk. The thing I love about Jose is that he's the anti-Votto. Frank was an OBP machine, much like Votto, but with Frank it was never at the expense of ripping his pitches for extra base hits. Jose seems to be the same way. He'll learn to take his walks, but he's never going to be a guy that goes deep in the count just to go deep in the count (a troubling trend throughout baseball imo). Some guys are just amazingly talented hitters like Frank and Jose and it stands in stark contrast to the Viciedos and Beckhams of the world that while both those guys pretty much have the same weaknesses after years in MLB (Gordon can't pull the ball for power or catch up to high heat; Viciedo has no patience and zero ability to recognize pitches fast enough to square up) Jose pretty much has fixed his big weakness (junk away) in a few months. It's freaking amazing and we as Sox fans are lucky to get to watch him hit at a high level for the next 5+ years barring injury, which knock on wood, so far, he doesn't seem prone to. This team is really set up well foundationaly, they need to spend some money this offseason and start going for it. They are a few pieces away and if their offseason is as good as 2013 then they are right there imo. Excellence in posting.

TUC what about the Sox being buyers at the deadline (please simpletons, refuse the temptation to point out our record and the amount of teams in front of us)? What about a package of hot Wilkins & Co for a stud RH pitcher? 2015 is almost here and we desperately need a RH badass. A RHBA makes us a championship contender instantly, well almost. I still think we are really close to being really good.

So is this right: Close benefits because he looks like he really stands up for players against big brother. Aiken loses because now he may never make money. The later pick lost his money and pro contract too? The Astros just look terrible. I feel bad for the kids if they just wanted to play ball for the market price.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) Dunn has an .804 ops. Sox fans are so f***ing stupid. I was at the game the other night and people can't stand Dunn. Cheering the fact that they get to see Paulie one last time. I wanted to bang my head off the table. You said it yourself man, they hate him. Do your really want to be the guy trying to change public opinion with OPS talk at this point? You literally have to watch EVERY game to see Dunn's value by adding up walks. Most fans turn on a game or go to a game and more than likely see Dunn do absolutely nothing. I'd say I get to watch about 3/4 of the games, which is arguably more than most fans, and even I feel like he is rarely in the middle of something interesting. I feel like if we don't trade him then the Sox will honor the contract. I'm all for a trade of Dunn and a Paulie-led charge to the playoffs

QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) Seeing as Beckham (8th overall) was 1 of only 7 top ten picks for the Sox since 1982, the others being Kurt Brown (whom you mentioned), Jack McDowell (5th overall), Robin Ventura (10th overall), Frank Thomas (7th overall), Alex Fernandez (4th overall) and Carlos Rodon (3rd overall), I think he could be considered one of the biggest busts considering where he was picked. However, his bust-ness is overshadowed by the plethora of first round busts the White Sox have had in that timeframe. At least Beckham was a serviceable player for 5+ years. And on a tangent, can I say, having looked up all of our first round picks over this span, whoever was scouting/drafting in '87-90, WOW ('87 was McDowell, '88 was Ventura, '89 was Thomas and '90 was Fernandez), and whoever it was in '97, WOW (but in a negative way - we had the 15th, 33rd, 34th, 43rd 46th and 51st overall picks that year and picked Jason Dellaero, Kyle Kane, Brett Caradonna, Aaron Myette, Jim Parque and Rocky Biddle, respectively). Mercy. I bet Rocky Biddle still looks cool as s*** today.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) Were also talking about cutting a guy ( Dunn) who isn't producing, hasn't been producing, most fans are not happy with and will likely/ thankfully not be with the Sox next season. The Sox have more to gain by giving Wilkins a look than 2 more months of Dunn. Even of Wilkins shows he's not the real deal at least the Sox will know going into the off season. Who knows, maybe some team like the Pirates come calling looking for a guy like Wilkins and the Sox can grab some kind of young raw pitching talent. I agree its more than likely Wilkins doesn't amount to much in a major league uniform but the Sox stand nothing to lose by cutting their losses with Dunn ( if he isn't traded) and see what Wilkins can do. I am not counting on Wilkins, just willing to give him a shot is all. Yes. The Sox fanbase will applaud the end of Dunn no matter how it goes down. Like you, I say just pull the plug ASAP if at all possible.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Just noticed Danks would be scheduled to start next Thursday--a day game in Detroit that starts at noon, with the trade deadline at 3. Juicy

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 08:23 PM) There is a signifcant difference with an ACL tear in a basketball player and a non-throwing shoulder injury in an outfielder. Let alone the fact that one had a suture repair of tissue and the other had a full blown ligament replacement. Na dude, same thing. Nice try with the "science".

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) Yeah, or Robert Griffin III I understand that we want to see him back, and it'd be really cool to see him back before the end of the year given the severity of his injury, but there's no need to rush back. I feel ya. I wouldn't be opposed to him seeing game speed at the end of the year though, just so he knows how hard he has to work this offseason.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) It's terrible logic because eventually there are people who hit successfully in the big leagues. And note how you edited what I said. An .800 OPS as a platoon player. You dropped the important part. He got off to a poor start this season and his OPS against righties is .913 and his OBP is .330. His walk rate isn't great against righties but it's 2.5 times what it is against lefties. We'd have to have a person making the lineups who understands that and doesn't regularly play him against LHP based on those splits, but his numbers suggest the potential that he could fill a major league role that the White Sox actually need to fill. ^Haha. Agreed. But I don't see us resigning Dunn, the general fanbase hates his guts.

He may be traded tmrw. Some team might seriously want to ride this hot streak.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) Barney just got cut by Cubs. While Beckham is better and has a little more pop in his bat, neither can hit well and both play above average defense. Beckham does have the better pedigree as well, but I really think anyone thinking we'll get anything all that interesting for Becks is delusional but I hope I'm wrong. I get your point that his value is super low but Barney has no upside with his bat whatsoever. Beckham has an appeal that will continue to be argued into his 30s, probably to the detriment of many GMs and fan bases.

The fact that he's survived all these years with essentially 2 pitches (1 slightly below average fastball, and a devastating change) speaks volumes for how good that change in speeds really is. Now he's lost a few ticks and I think command of a 2nd off-spread pitch would revive his excellence. He can't live on that outside edge anymore at 88.