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Maybe 4 pitches. I turned it on to see Pena warming up with a 2-2 count. Shut em down Oz, anybody that needs it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 12:45 PM) There's no reason to assume that our current manager is sober either. Ditto every other manager in the league. The difference with LaRussa, as I pointed out quite early in this thread...is that his team has had issues with alcohol that few other teams in the league have had to deal with. There aren't reports of Ozzie abusing the legal drug. LaRussa is the only manager who was found passed out behind the wheel at a major intersection. That means he abuses alcohol; he doesn't have the stones to say no to drinks after he gets tipsy. No way is this a role model for young men.

Is LaRussa sober? If not, then no way do I want him around any of our players. We don't need some manager sneaking flask rips around the team. You can't just brush that DUI incident aside. Anyone that feels the need to get s***faced is not a real man or any type of man I want around easily-influenced young men coming into riches and stardom for the first time.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) EJax also showed he can lit up as well as anyone else, in the "weak" NL nonetheless. Agree. I understand your school of thought on why the trade doesn't make sense. It seems you won't acknowledge old school guys like Jerry's line of thinking. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it has its place.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 03:02 AM) EJax did not show that he was a consistently good performer, he really only had one full season of being good. He was just as much of a risk as Hudson with a bigger paycheck and less years under team control. Disagree, he can hit 98 with his fastball while Hudson can't. Jax had proven he can be dominant at times whereas Hudson hadn't proven s***. I understand the years and paycheck thing, but there was a possibility that Hudson would never stick in the big leagues. I think the move makes sense from that point of view. I love everything Logic said.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) Major difference between giving the okay to spend more money and deciding if a player is worth a trade or not. I think Jerry just fits into the school of thought that prospects are only that, prospects. He knows the insane majority completely wash out quickly. EJax has proven he is a good player already and will always fetch talent. Hudson could have imploded here and fetched little talent in the offseason and we'd be stuck with him. Obviously Hudson has excelled but from a risk standpoint, acquiring EJax kinda was a no-brainer.

I don't think Dan Hudson will ever mow people down like EJax. Jerry Reinsdorf even said the trade was "a no-brainer" on The Club. So don't blame KW if you are unhappy with the trade, blame the collective body of highly paid men in our front office. I like it so far, next year could be special.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 18, 2010 -> 06:47 AM) Yes, because 3 starts is a legitimate body of work to judge a guy by. And for the 4375274734274844 time, Jackson was pitching under the same conditions and flat sucked. And it looks as if he's reverting back to his hit or miss self with us. Just a putrid trade by a GM that's been absolutely brutal the last 2+ years. Brutal? Disagree. I think we have one of the best teams we've ever had. Next year should be great!

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 05:54 PM) I would think we'd be selling low right now. After his rookie campaign it was a different story....anyways, his numbers this year are disappointing but given the fact we'd be selling low I don't see him getting dealt nor would I deal him personally because I am still hopeful he's going to turn into the player we all want him to be at 2B for the next 10 yrs... Yea it would be selling really low because we'd probably have to pay his replacement more than 450,000. Even if Beckham is league average, he plays the perfect position for it not to matter so much. If it were up to me he'd play every day in 2011.

Would you do Danks and Quentin to the Rockies for Gonzalez? Then Sign Cliff Lee to slide in. World Series.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 05:00 PM) Good afternoon. In less than two hours, the Minnesotta Twins will be landing at US Cellular Field. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourthteenth of September, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourthteenth of September will no longer be known as a Chicagoan holiday, but as the day the Sox declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our NukeTheTwins Day! Haha.. of all the inspirational choices available, I love your selection. I will speak for everyone and say "Thank You" for this.

And people like to point to Thome's late-inning heroics as the missing piece, but what about all the runs Teahen has cost us? Either by botching up defense or not coming through with the bat. Or the whole team sucking...but no, it's Thome!

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 12:56 PM) I'm not going to drag this out into a long argument, but I think Thome is the easy excuse and it ignores the fact that 2 of our starters were the worst in the league for 1/3 of the season, 1/3 of our lineup was horrible to start the season, and that our bullpen has cost us plenty of games. I'm not saying that the offense would not have been better with Thome, but he wouldn't have prevented what I believe the main deficiencies of this season were. The Sox could have won this division without him and I think there are several other people to blame for our position before the people who chose not to resign him. All of this is spot on in my opinion. Perfect post here. To think one unsigned man was the sole cause of our futility....well that's just too easy to argue.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 01:22 PM) An .865 OPS is good, you do know that right? Plus, I can care less how many times he strikes out as long as he hits enough home runs and keeps his OPS up to a certain level. He was getting on base at a very good rate as well. The 55 runs have more to do with who hit behind him than what he did as a hitter. Plus, you basically said that Thome was useless in his 4 years here, which he was clearly not. And I'm sure you have a "momentum" meter in your head. Were you also b****ing when Thome scored our only run in game 163 back in 08 or when he hit the go ahead home run on opening day in 2009? Whatever your perception might be, they're wrong. And you're sadly mistaken if you think the 05 team didn't rely on home runs or power. Whoa there, it's your tone; it's the wrong tone. When, during any of this pile of generalizations, was the condescending, high school tone necessary? I never liked Thome, you apparently did. In fact, I grew up disliking him on the Indians; you apparently didn't mind him those years. So he hit a few nice homeruns for the Sox over a pointless 4 years did he? Good for him. Good.....for........him (slow, sarcastic clap). I swear some of you act like Jim was Mr. White Sox; Mr. homegrown, glad to be home, king of the South Side. That's Buehrle, Konerko, Baines, Thomas territory that he has no business being in the same discussions with. He grew up a cub fan, played forever on the Indians, co-founder of CWS Corpseball, played on 4 meaningless Sox teams that didn't accomplish dick. What's the big deal? I don't think Thome was the missing piece this year; the first 2 months were. We disagree; why give your arguments that personal attack feel, man? I'm not understanding that avenue.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) No it isn't... Saying a guy who had a .933 OPS that hit around 130 home runs for your team wasn't worth much is absolutely ridiculous. Yes it is. Since only OPS appears to matter to you, let's use that. Back to back .865 OPS seasons in 2008-2009. Whoopty-do. That's a nice OPS if you don't strikeout 400 times in a season and score a pathetic 55 runs. Sure seemed to most of us that Big Jim was trending down pretty hard after the first 2 seasons. Why on earth would you simply average his 4 seasons to determine if he should come back? The trend said he was in sharp decline. Plus our team was what, 3rd to last in 2009 runs scored? I blame that on station to station baseball, a.k.a. White Sox Baseball post 2005, and I was sick of it. So was Ozzie. I'm not happy with Kotsay either but I sure didn't want that wastepit known as Jim Thome back. He just kills momentum like it's his job.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 05:45 PM) Wow. Don't wow me boy; like you know something I don't. Laughable. My point is valid. I get it, you wanted Thome back. Well I didn't so deal with it, along with my explanation. Deal with it all. Why can't you just let the man's memory rest peacefully? Must you continually look back with those hindsight goggles strapped so tightly to your face?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 04:35 PM) Probably because it's been exhausted. It's not like there are a million people on this site that are claiming that Kotsay was the right move. It's beating a dead horse when we are on a 7 game win streak! There's no way to know if Thome would have helped us. All we know is that he wasn't a fit here for 4 years. He didn't fit in whatsoever. He never excited anybody, only made them cringe and pray for anything but a strikeout. If you think differently, I have to ask if you ever watched Sox baseball with a big group of Sox fans? If you weren't cringing or pulling hair out when Thome was up at crucial times, then...uh...what were ya doin??? Cheering confidently that Thome was gonna make that pitcher pay??? My ass. He came through like 1 outa 15 times; let his meaningless memory go.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 12:19 PM) Perhaps the 129 pitches Jackson threw his last outing are causing him problems today. Perhaps some junky shots found holes? It's already over?

Is Trayce Thompson officially a garbage prospect now?

Does anybody else feel like this is all silly talk, and he'll be back without much hesitation from either side?

I agree. Seems like our offense and bullpen can be shaky any given night. We should probably lose more than we do.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) I'd give Santos a try before him. And even after this horrible outing, I say Bobby should still be the closer given the current state of the bullpen. I've felt the same was as you and I suppose I still do, but really, how many times can we keep saying this? Feels like dude's cost us 6-7 games already. It's too bad; he used to be BAAAAAD.

I think De Aza is a major leaguer.

Would love to see some De Aza. I think he earned it.

I guess the only bright side to Sergio's performance is now we know Putz is hurt a day earlier.