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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 10:21 AM) Kotsay to DL with broken heart. If that guy uses the internet then nothing short of suicide would surprise me. Poor human. How's the progress on the cross coming anyway?

I hate to Kotsay up another thread, but Harrell brought way more chemistry that day than Kotsay has all year. Mr. Chemistry my ass.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 09:48 AM) Yeah, but, dude, that was an extremely hard 0 for 15. And he was really wearing it during that 1 for 20. Besides, he had a bunch of hangwiffums during the 1 for 23. Haha, remember maybe a week ago those games where Stone picked him to click and he was jokingly arguing that some of those hangwiffems would make a case for the click? Those guys were crackin up in the booth.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 01:25 PM) Why is Maggs relevant? He hit for much more power than Gilmore has displayed. Maggs hit double digit HR in the minors for four straight years and had a respectable ISO. Gilmore hasn't hit 15 HR as a pro in 1500 AB. At least he is showing his power translates to wood though. That's certainly encouraging. Hell yea, that's all this stupid league tests anyway. Bam, test aced. Move on up! Back to Gilmore for a sec; why use the flamethrower on the Theriot comparison? What other major leaguers does that skill set really project to, especially at third base? Free-swinging, contact hitters without power or plate discipline don't usually become major league third basemen. Not saying he's a bust at all, but it doesn't look GREAT by any means.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 09:21 AM) He has put up terrible numbers for 4+ months now. It can't just be bad luck. And who cares if he bats lefty? If you can't hit RHP or LHP does it really matter which side of the plate you bat from? So what are some of his worst stretches so far this season? Longest 0-fer or maybe some 1-25s? Basically, would Mike Caruso's bat be an upgrade? Maybe we should compile a detailed chart of suckiness just in case KW passes through these here boards.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 03:33 AM) I almost get the feeling some stubborn posters don't want any inside information. Which is crazy. It's like they know Kotsay sucks and don't want to hear ANYTHING to the contrary. I mean I think he sucks as well, but if there are reasons for keeping him around and Ranger knows them, it is of value to us to learn those reasons IMO. Ranger aside, are there any reasons to keep him though? I feel bad for the guy because these could be his last few weeks as a pro. Like someone else said, if we DFA him he gets to spend more time with his wife which is a win for us and Kotsay.

Another quick counter to the whole "If we lose the division it won't be because of Kotsay, it will be because of the pitching failing" argument: Wouldn't it be nice if Teahen or Viciedo or Bridge had the opportunity to get a big hit to bail out a sub-par pitching performance? Kotsay can't bail Freddy out with a 2 out RBI base hit; I mean he CAN but the odds say he won't. The odds say the other guys, at the very least, MIGHT. UGHHH what a garbage argument and I can't believe a proclaimed Sox observer could say that AND believe it.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 11:08 PM) How's his defense? Is he strictly a corner OF or can he play a little CF? I like where you are going with this. Can he fill Andruw's shoes next year? Is his defense plus? Inform the masses JPN!

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 10:52 PM) I know he has to deal with quite a few knuckleheads calling in to the postgame shows, but does anyone else think Ranger is a little full of it/himself? I find his demeanor to be condescending at times and he seems to toe the company line far too often as well. Forgive me (or warn me) if I am crossing the line of personal attacks, but to me it hits home even more when he posts here and gets into arguments with others. For the most part, I think this site is not full of the same post game caller idiots he typically deals with and he shouldn't approach them as if they are. On occasion he beats his arguments to death and appears both stubborn and arrogant. I also have noticed far too many posters on here stroke him because he is a supposed radio personality and they give him a free pass when he is spewing the cliches. I know he can't be held responsible for the actions of fanboys, but they act as if he is really courageous for posting and getting flamed. Well, isn't that a risk we all take? A riskier approach would be if he stated that most of these "hated" players were put into a position to fail too often and that it is understandable when the fans take it out on the player, but the fans should realize the player is only trying to do the job asked of him by the manager. No, he won't ruffle feathers like that, but rather say dumb things like "Kotsay is not going to cost you the division...if the Sox lose the division, it will be because their pitching failed." That is what he actually posted in one topic here the other day and he got some level of praise for posting his opinions. It really burns me up! Again, sorry if this is construed as a personal attack, but if we can flame Hawk and Stone for sugar coating the Kotsay issue, then I think Rongey is fair game, too. I would assume this is because some people think if they say the right things (stroke) they will get invited to some Score Round Table of Sox Discussion and achieve fame and fortune beyond their wildest dreams for being the smartest Sox mind in the city. It's almost hard to read at times; like looking at the sun or watching Larry David getting himself into one his situations. It's simple: Kotsay doesn't have the ability to help right now for whatever reason. Someone else might.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 02:55 PM) I f***ing hate Mark Kotsay Can we make a Smiley holding a sign saying this? Everyone says it at least twice a week.

Gilmore. Let's be real; is he anything but a Theriot at best?

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Aug 2, 2010 -> 10:28 AM) Dude I think I saw these at the park yesterday? They say "authentic" but they're clearly not because the lettering/number almost are kind of puffy? WTF? Why do they get to call them authentic then? Haha, they can do whatever they want. Point is they paid $50 for the same thing that diehards pay $300 for; and neither is a game-worn jersey. So really the only satisfaction the authentic guy gets is in the basement at home where he can pat himself on the back, look in the mirror and say, "You got the real thing ol' boy. Stupid posers." I saved up and bought an authentic Mags jersey when I was in High School and then lost it in a bar during cubs/sox a few years ago. If I was to get a new jersey, I would never pay 300 for it. That's just money down the toilet for a grown man to wear a boy's name on his back.

158. I feel pretty dumb forgetting Ray and Raines. That was a gimme 13 points Snopek ahaha. I'm 26 and now I feel old.

Nothin like some Tank to start the hitting party

Me too. Kotsay's just too old and not good.

Based on that double tonight, where the pitch was at his shoelaces, I like the Vlad comparisons. If it's around the plate, he's gonna smack it, period.

Lilly can pinch run whenever Carlos/Jones get a hit late in a game. I think that's very valuable; more valuable than a 1-4 sandwiched between two 0-4s from Kotsay every three games.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) We're not the Yankees. 8 million dollars next year for a guy that isn't very good as your 4th starter (and giving up one of your very few prospects to acquire it) is a really bad move. If Jackson pitches well and gets us into the playoffs, then it's only just a bad move. That's the ceiling for this trade, a bad move. Which is why I don't like it. I think your opinion is clear man. What if Jackson goes 10-0 with a 0.00 ERA. wha wha bad move is the ONLY ceiling wha wha. Talk about beating a dead horse, and it's only an opinion, not even gospel.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) I am really encouraged by the prospect of Edwin Jackson. The last time that we heard, "We see 1 flaw in his mechanics." was with Thornton - and we've helped him reach his ceiling. I do not know if you guys realize this but... Edwin Jackson's ceiling is an ACE. What he did last year in Detroit was nice - but his ceiling is still higher than that. He has the potential to be a 20 game winner with a low or sub 3 ERA / low 1 WHIP. This could be another trade that makes a lot of you appreciate our GM, our management, and our scouting. I also remember Contreras and have a similar feeling regarding this trade as I did at that time. When we traded for Contreras, everyone was saying he was horrid - was a failure - wasn't a successful pitcher - was a bum - etc. We heard at that time, "He may be tipping his pitches and we can fix that." Another similar situation where our team helped a struggling pitcher reach their potential. Even if Edwin doesn't get traded by us in another deal - I am happy with this. I love this guys stuff and have always thought he will be an amazing starter some day. I love all of this. Consider me on this boat. Im my opinion there is a far greater chance of DH washing out than EJax and it's not even close. I wouldn't mind seeing Peavy Buehrle Floyd Danks Jackson next year at all! I also wouldn't mind seeing Peavy Buehrle Floyd Danks Garcia plus prospects acquired from an EJax trade. I like the chances of our coaching staff increasing this kid's value as it's pretty low right now. If he tears it up this year he could bring us a stud outfielder in the offseason or carry us to hopefully another playoff berth.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:38 PM) What's going on with the KW press conference? Anyone listening? Still talking to callers on 670, but mentioned KW is talking to people. I don't know where to listen to it!

I LOVE THIS TRADE I LOVE THIS TRADE

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) If somebody starts a thread, 'do you like this trade as it currently stands?' I would say, "No," for my answer. Wouldn't you all say the same? I'd say YES. We didn't sell high on D2 and now look what's happened; he's a borderline non-prospect this year. Hudson wasn't counted on as a top prospect until mid-summer last year. I like selling high because to me it seems like we got EJax for free!

Hudon came out of nowhere to establish his value last year; I think it's amazing we got a young veteran pitcher with EJax's potential for simply a Bonus Prospect. a prospect we were never counting on. Thanks for your amazing 2009 MiLB run Hudson; that little run got us EJax! I'm happy.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) That train would look cool on the concourse after each HR. Haha, yea that bump in CF is pretty cool too; wonder if Santeliz gets that done?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:08 AM) Maybe Arizona pays half of Jacksons 2011 salary? If they want Hudson they should; he's a darn good pitching prospect.