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What's with the WHITE SOX RESIGN DEXTER CARTER thread? Have the mods disabled it because it's not true or something?

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) It's about subtlety and sportsmanship. Removing your helmet has never been OK, nor has spending 10 seconds staring down a home run. But giving your coaches and teammates a five as you round the bases and come into the dugout? There is a huge difference. I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Arguing for the sake of arguing? No. I think you're doing a poor job of explaining what's so wrong about it. No one can. The only thing people are saying is that it's against "tradition". Well so what? I'm sure that there are a LOT of things that go on now that probably fly in the face of this tradition. I wonder how older people feel about long dreads hanging out of a baseball cap? Or how about Brian Wilson's beard? or how about Jason Giambi's or Peter Moylan's arms covered with tattoos? You think those would have fallen in line with tradition 60 years ago? The point that I'm trying to make is that if the only thing you can say is wrong with removing his helmet is that it's against tradition, then I say that things change and people aren't robots. And it's not like Milledge has announced to the world that "when I take my helmet off, it means that I'm the man and I own this pitcher". Hell, I don't know why he does it. He said it's his "thing". So be it. I don't feel like he's showing off. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 24, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) The best thing you can do to avoid it is to beat him. That's not an easy thing to do. EXACTLY!!! That's what I've been saying. If you're a pitcher and you don't like what Milledge does, then don't give up any home runs to him. If he hits one, then oh well. Pitch better next time.

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QUOTE (DaveBrown85 @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) Anderson W-L 0-1 IP-1.2 ERA-21.60 ER-4 AVG. 636 WHIP 4.20 These numbers are for real? I thought I saw where someone said he was having a decent spring for the Yanks.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 04:28 PM) I hate the race card as much as anybody, but I completely agree. I've been kind of saying this for a while by mentioning that people are confusing Milledge with Delmon Young. I've actually corrected someone who confused Milledge with Elijah Dukes. Milledge is not a bad guy and you couldn't tell me that people get as upset if Lillibridge or Jordan Danks did something similar.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) There is a distinct difference between hitting a very important home run in a clutch situation or striking someone out with the go ahead run on second base to end an inning than there is in the 3rd inning of a meaningless spring training game. Paul Konerko celebrated after he hit the grand slam because it put the White Sox up by 2 in game 2 of the WORLD SERIES. Grant Balfour went apes*** crazy when he struck out Orlando Cabrera in 2008 because it was in the PLAYOFFS. Of course there are other moments throughout a season that guys do this as well, but they are generally accepted because they are in pretty important situations. If not, a lot of times an opposing manager will take offense to it and said player will not be comfortable in the box the next time up. If you hit a homer in the 4th inning of a regular season game, you should run the bases and cross home plate and then go slap hands with your teammates. Act like you've done it before. Why is slapping hands with the first and third base coaches and your team mates acceptable and removing your helmet not? Grant Balfour goes ape s*** ALL THE TIME! The guy is a freaking lunatic. But that's okay too?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 02:52 PM) Comparing Greg Maddox to Grant Balfour? Really?

Check out Dante Bichette's routine after he hit a home run. How about Mark McGwire and his gut punch? Never heard any complaining about either of those guys, have you? There's nothing wrong with showing some emotion or celebrating. Taking your helmet off is not a big deal. Like I said, it'd be different if he were fist pumping, yelling, laughing and pointing at the pitcher while he's rounding the bases. But he's not. He's quietly removing his helmet.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 01:21 PM) f*** that s***. His history is what calls this into play. I don't give a rat's ass what 'color' the player is, if he thinks he's bigger than the game, than the traditions, than what's acceptable of your peers ... then it's garbage. Prime example, was Ron Santo clicking his heels after every Cubs home win in '69. That was bush league crap. I think some people are way too sensitive. If you're a pitcher and you don't like what Milledge does, then PITCH BETTER AND DON'T GIVE UP HOME RUNS!! If you can't do that, then tuff s*** try harder. As far as tradition goes, okay I get it. Baseball has traditions. But dammit this isn't the '50s when the majority of major leaguers looked and acted similar. This is 2011 and everybody isn't the same. AND HE'S NOT SHOWING UP THE OPPOSING TEAM OR PITCHER IN ANY FASHION!! So what's the big deal? Hell, if I were a pitcher, I'd be more pissed at any number of things that players do after watching a home run, like watching it sail over the wall or slapping hands with the first and third base coach or high fiving teamates at home plate. WTF do I care if you take your helmet off?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Can you provide some kind of evidence of this? Exhibit #2

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Can you provide some kind of evidence of this? Exhibit #1...

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I hate to do this, but I think color plays a factor here. Now, I'm not accusing anyone here of this, but over time you happen to notice a pattern. When a young white player does these acts that have been referred to as showboating, people describe him as "passionate". When a young black player does them, he's called "cocky" or "arrogant" and accused of showboating. Would we really be having this same discussion if the player taking his helmet off after rounding third was Gordon Beckham? I seriously doubt it. Personally, I think people getting worked up over Milledge taking his helmet off is ridiculous. Why don't we want our players to have a little bit of style and attitude to them? It's not like he's trying to be an asshole and rub it in the pitcher's face. It's just something he does. If the pitcher wants to be overly sensitive and take exception to him, that's his choice. I just don't see why any fan would actually be bothered by this. If we were in a bar, I'd buy you a beer. Well said.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) Most of the time when a guy removes his helmet between 3rd and home after a dinger, it's because it was a walk off or he expects to get numerous head after hitting the plate. That's injury prevention, and it is understood throughout the game. As for Paulie, coming up hit a clutch hit in a clutch situation, well it was an appropriate response and the players don't want to take that kind of emotion out of the game. A NRI hitting a HR in spring training and showboating ... that don't fly. Soooo taking your helmet off (and throwing it) is to prevent injury? Riiiight. I still don't see how taking your helmet off like Milledge does is showboating. WTF is the difference between that and a high five at home plate? I think it's just something for people to nit pick with him for whatever reason. These guys aren't robots and this isn't the 50s. Let the guy have some space.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 11:04 AM) Yes, Drysdale is dead. That in no way invalidates my point. If you want a living example, Gibson. More recent? Gossage. Yes, things have changed, but I don't think it's for the better. Yet, the injury Tony Conigliaro suffered was horrid. I just wish baseball was played with edge that it used to be instead of guys showboating. Especially, an unaccomplished one like Milledge. Yes but I still don't see how taking your helmet off is showboating. Okay so when someone crosses home plate and points to the sky, is that showboating? How about when the entire team runs out to home plate and jumps up and down after a walk off? I think Jim Thome removed his helmet and threw it right after rounding third when he hit that blast off of Thornton last year in Minnesota. Paulie pumped his fist after the World Series grand slam. All of it could be considered showboating. But Milledge should be criticized for quietly removing his helmet?

QUOTE (YASNY @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 10:01 AM) If Milledge had done that after hitting a homer of Don Drysdale, I promise you that DD would have removed his helmet for him the next pitch he threw to him. Don Drysdale is dead. He pitched in the 1950s. This is 2011. Do a better job at pitching if you don't want opponents to hit home runs. Seriously, I don't get what the big deal is. It's not like he's rounding the bases yelling and pointing his finger at the pitcher while laughing. And apparently he's not going to stop doing it either, which is fine by me. Maybe it's something personal for him...

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) In the world of baseball anything out of the ordinary is frowned upon as hotdogging it. Ken Griffey Jr, went through the same thing because he wore his hat backwards. I think those that would frown upon removing a hat need to get a life.

Wow... I thought Bruney would make it. I guess not.

Edwin Jackson will win 20 games and sign a contract extension with the Sox.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) The White Sox will be involved in at least two bench-clearing brawls. Hopefully at least one will be against the Twins - with Paul Konerko charging the mound.

What's so wrong about taking your helmet off after hitting a home run?

Collectively on this board we will consider Carlos Quentin to be a much more dangerous hitter than Adam Dunn as the Sox head to the playoffs. ...and that's not saying that Dunn will have a down year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2011 -> 11:10 PM) Serious: Sergio Santos becomes the closer at some point this season, Beckman and Ramirez make All-Star team as reserves, Dunn breaks Borchard's record for longest homer in USCF history Wacky: Lastings Milledge finishes in the Top 10 in the AL MVP race, Oney gets a job at Baseball Tonight Who is this Beckman dude? Have I missed something? Let's combine this thread and the "Out on a limb" thread.

No more crappy east coast biased bulls*** espn baseball tonight. Now I get real baseball stuff with MLB Tonight on the network. I was losing hope and about to give in. Good move AT&T. It's about freaking time. Only caveat is that you have to upgrade to the U300 package...

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 7, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) I don't think they'll be trading Rios to make way for him anytime soon. I certainly hope not. Hey, what ever happened to C.J. Retherford?