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Holy s*** Juan Pierre JUST MISSED a walk off homerun.

The Sox haven't had a walk off this year yet, right? Tonight will be a good time for the first one.

I logged in just to say MOTHERf***ER after that catch. That is all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) If Z starts out as a hitter, while pitching, the Cubs lose the DH for that game. Ah cool. Thanks.

This question might have been asked here before, but can the Cubs still let Zambrano bat tonight if they wanted? Can he still be the DH even though he is pitching? I know it's an AL park with AL rules, but Zambrano can hit.

I wonder if there will be another rain out...

Haters hate when the White Sox win

I'm not convinced Oz won't be here next year and I'm not convinced that the Sox won't be crowned AL central champions this year. BUT... If he does end up leaving, I'd bet the farm that his replacement here would either be Sandy Alomar Jr. or Dave Martinez.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 19, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) Not gonna happen during season... is it? Nope. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen in the offseason either.

I still have faith.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) If EJax gets shelled and Hudson throws a gem PHT should probably just be on a 1 day close down I wouldn't be opposed. The board should be shut down. We need a time out until we learn to be more positive.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 09:01 AM) I wonder how many fans on this board were alive during the 70s and 80s when the White Sox won 1 division title in 20 years and usually finished in 3rd or 4th place with 70 something wins. Of the ones that were alive, I wonder if they can really get back in touch with what it felt like to be a fan of this team during that era, and put it in context. Do people realize the same White Sox organization has averaged 84 wins per season over the past 21 years, and 86 wins under the KW/OG regime? We're basically tied fourth in total wins since 1990 in the AL, behind New York, Boston and Oakland (Cleveland is about even with us, slightly ahead for now). During the OG era, I think we're 5th overall. During the past three "disappointing" years, we've averaged a "disappointing" 85 wins. Yes, our payroll has increased. Yes, the expectations have been higher recently. Yes, there have been some depressing results at times, particularly in our own division. Is it because we are agonizingly close? I hope that's the conclusion. Because if it's not, I have news for you: this is not a s*** organization. This organization is one of the best in the American League, year in and year out. You'd never know it from reading this board, though. It is astounding to me that there is absolutely no faith and no patience in this organization, this coach and this general manager. We've won 88+ games in 4 of the past six seasons. How many other teams have won 88+ games in four of the past six seasons? Four: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies. That's it. Not your precious Twins, not the big-spending, bumbling big-market Mets, not the Dodgers of lore, not the Cubs. 25 of 30 teams haven't done it. The White Sox have. And yet, everyone is seemingly as frustrated as if they have waited 20 years for a divisional title. This team has won a World Series recently, under this management's watch, and yet you would never know it from the faithlessness around here. Really, what gives? Sure, you can blather on about Guillen's lack of in-game managerial skills while conveniently overlooking his other intangibles (his ability to deflect media heat from his players, his ability to keep his team motivated (even allegedly cantankerous ones like AJP and Jurassic Carl), his ability to be hands-off when nobody would dare notice it. You can talk about KW's missed opportunities and poor trades and acquisitions, and ignore the stability, identity and pride he has provided. I wonder if people even recall how controversial the Konerko re-signing was around here. You need to look no further than 12 miles north if you want to know how difficult it is to win in this game consistently, even with a large payroll. Whether or not you believe in curses, that team has fielded young talent, experienced managers, veteran leaders. They can't win s*** to save their damned lives. I can cite 5 more examples of teams who spent it all seemingly correctly and can't win s*** anyway (The Mets come to mind, among others). The 2011 White Sox may have been disappointing thus far, but I can't really see them playing much worse, and I can't pin this on the organization, nor have I lost faith or patience. I will not blame OG/KW for Adam Dunn and Alex Rios having the WORST slumps of their respective careers, for Peavy's unforeseen injury problems, for Beckham turning from can't miss to Crede-lite, for Juan Pierre forgetting how to field. I will not blame this organization for a host of veteran relievers blowing the f*** up. I will not blame this organization for John Danks' uncharacteristic, bewildering numbers. Nearly everything has gone wrong at times, and we are 33-37 and 5.5 out. This is still a very talented team that's representative of a very good organization. I really wish other people believed that too. Excellent post! I still don't get how you can blame KW for Rios, Dunn and Beckham. He's not out there swinging the bat. And there was so much enthusiam on this board when Dunn was signed. People wanted to kiss KW's pinky ring. Now some of those same people want him fired.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) Yes, losing both of these games sucked. Yes, we suck against Minny. Yes, Ozzie sucks as an in-game manager. Here are the facts I'd like to focus on: 1) Interleague is here, and we rake against the NL. 2) We have only 4 games, all at home, against the Twins until August 5th, when the Twins will likely be way out of it and already taking it apart. They are 4-0 against the Sox and 15 under against everyone else. If you think we will go 0-19 against them, you don't watch enough baseball. 3) No team in the AL Central is good enough to win 90, and probably no team is good enough to win even 88. 4) 23 of our next 41 games are at home. If you think this team is buried, save your breath. As infuriating as it will be, they will be in this thing all year, whether you like it or not, just like every other team has been under the Williams era except for 07. That doesn't mean they have what it takes to win this division, or that this division is even worth winning. There will be a race, and the Sox will be a significant factor in it. f*** the Twins. Let's move on. Nice try man, but good luck trying to convince the people of Soxtalk. I still have faith though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:15 AM) As someone else mentioned, players like Rios with all the talent in the world but none of the courage/fearlessness/drive/heart drive me nuts. What proof do you have that Rios DOESN'T have courage/fearlessness/drive/heart?? Do you know him personally? Have you played with him? Since he's been a White Sox, have you been with him during workouts or practice? Do you know how hard he works or doesn't work?

Good God just ONCE can the Sox blow these motherf***ers out of the water in Minneapolis? How about like a 15 - 0 score?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) The whole reason I posted the article was to keep it into one thread... Genius. Thanks! Can we get just one Juan Pierre bashing thread too?

I bet I know what this thread is going to morph into...

Awesome...

I'm looking for a 3 for 4 night from my boy Juan Pierre - even though that would do NOTHING to silence the haters.

There better be a f***ing Catfish Hunter mention somewhere in this thread...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 10:56 AM) Great. Another thread on this. Beat me to it...

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) The director of operations was on air during the game last week. Right now, I believe he said they are trying to work something out, but they are not open during road games yet. Ah okay thanks. It would be cool to go down there and watch games on the big screen with sound and all.

I thought Ozzeroo was a fan of Chavez...

Hey... does anyone ever go to Barcardi at the park when the Sox are playing on the road? Is it even open? I wouldn't mind going down there to watch the Sox v. Minnesota.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) You really should troll elsewhere. 18,000 plus posts, and you call him a troll? This thread is awesome. Nothing like a tough loss to make soxtalk posters lose their minds It's one game people.