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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 04:05 PM) O'Brien specifically named the coaches that have called him and Beck wasnt one of them. It appears as if they just went AD to AD. Some people will see it as classless, and they will forget about it a week later. Considering he also said some players have as many as 50 scholarship offers I doubt he named every coach who called him or is contacting his players.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 03:49 PM) Given that they are literally sending out the kitchen sink should tell you there motive. They are literally going bargain shopping at the swap meet for some football players. Again, I have zero problem recruiting these players and the players have every right to look elsewhere. But it seems really below the belt (and I'm sure Illinois isn't the only team doing this) to send 6 people to go talk to probably every decent player on the team. I think the same could be accomplished in a much more classy and less public manner. But I'll also point out, most of recruiting is classless. It just strikes me as a dog eat dog situation. If you aren't doing it, plenty of other schools are doing it. So if you want those talented players to be on your roster rather than one of your competitors, oh well. As long as you follow the protocol of notifying PSU, which it is now reported that they have, I see no issue.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) Classless. Do you really need to send 6 coaches to go poach through all of there players. I completely understand doing it, but reach out to the head coach, let him know, etc. Do it in a respectful manner. It isn't a freaking mall. Note: If anyone gripes, Ferentz has already been mentioned as someone who reached out directly to O'Brien. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/...penly-recruited And...........

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 03:23 PM) Since when can you recruit players that are currently under scholarship? I thought the player had to say he was transferring before they could do that. This situation is certainly outside the bounds of typical transfer/recruiting rules. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/ncaa-...otball-players/ "Coaches from other schools will be allowed to contact and recruit Penn State players until classes start at Penn State on August 27."

This is f***ing puzzling. Take the f***ing opportunity to save a highly-worked pitcher an inning and a bunch of pitches when you're up 6...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) Classless. Do you really need to send 6 coaches to go poach through all of there players. I completely understand doing it, but reach out to the head coach, let him know, etc. Do it in a respectful manner. It isn't a freaking mall. Note: If anyone gripes, Ferentz has already been mentioned as someone who reached out directly to O'Brien. First of all I'm not saying it isn't the case, but how does that report prove or disprove that they haven't talked to O'Brien? If they didn't, I fully agree but I'm waiting to hear more about the situation than a couple tweets and article mentions. Tomorrow being B10 media day should provide some answers. As of now, there is zero detail out there.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:48 PM) Dammit, Viciedo diving and landing on his face. stop that s***, this game is well in hand, you don't have to dive... A 4 run lead with 15 outs to get?

The over-analysis of a guys trade value based on individual performances at this point is f***ing ridiculous.

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan Youkilis left with sprained left ankle.

A Tank mega hot streak would sure be nice

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) I'm sure that is a joke along the lines of turning 39 for the 11th time... QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) When women get to be 40 and over, its common to say they are turning 39 on their birthday. Just don't do it when they are turning 29. Got it, thanks guys.

So I received multiple texts from people saying Hawk said Beckham's mom turns 39 today? That can't be right... Can anyone confirm what age he said?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:41 PM) That doesnt even make sense, Zook can recruit. I think he was trying to make some sort of statement that it was a questionable move on Beckman's staff and that Zook would be above that? Not really sure and I don't agree with that sentiment either.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) Ahhh, fack.... "Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien Greinke in June: "This is probably the one park I don’t really like pitching in. I never feel real comfortable pitching here."" Certainly not something encouraging to read

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS #chisox like zack greinke best of potentially available starters. South siders will get someone, ken w isn't stand-pat guy

I found these quotes from Chuck's write up to be particularly interesting/entertaining:

Wish I didn't read that. Too accurate when you look at it that way.

And the more I think about it, saying the Bulls got younger and more athletic on the bench this year is a ridiculous fallacy. Watson - Brewer - Asik - Korver Hinrich - Belinelli - Nazr - Radmanovic Not younger, or more athletic.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:32 PM) Completely understand where you are coming from. I think despite having a more long-term plan, I believe you still have to make decisions for the current rosters. That's perfectly fine and that's why Jerry Reinsdorf makes a considerable amount of money from the Bulls as he produces a competitive team but still manages to cut costs. I am fine with the costs that were cut, just would have liked to see a little more headway down the 2014 path, if that is indeed the direction we are heading.

Bottom line: everything I hear is 2014 2014, be patient wait 2 years, Rose coming back, etc. 3 of our 4 primary offseason acquisitions (Nazr Mohammed, Vlad Radmanovic, & Kirk Hinrich) merely fit with this plan because they will all assuredly be gone by then. That doesn't strike me as a POSITIVE offseason, which is all I asserted from the beginning. Doesn't seem ridiculous to question the direction that was executed this offseason. Doesn't mean the entire next 5 years are wasted, not everything could have been solved this summer regardless. But none of these acquisitions are even relevant to the long-term plan.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) Bellinelli and Hinrich aren't exactly again veterans. Hinrich is older, however, I won't be surprised if he's still in the league 4 years from now. Bellinari is 26 or so. He's in his prime years and should be for at least 4-5 years. Radmonovich, yes, he's and old decaying player who isn't very good (hits some threes and thats about it). However, signing him was what it was. The Bulls are still trying to sign Malcom Thomas. Isn't he the definition of the type of player you are talking about? I just don't see what the Bulls missed out on. If anything they have 2 guys in Hinrich and Bell who can be solid bench players from 3-6 years (depending on whether it is Bell or Hinrich). That falls pretty nicely with that 2013 or 2014 window. And you might say, well, Bell signed a one year deal. Sure he did, but the Bulls will be able to sign him for more years if they want to (or he can be signed as part of a S&T and thus used as an asset later on). Heck, he might even have value to another contender and can be cut in a deadline move. Look, you are proposing going out and signing crappy 2nd round picks. That doesn't seem like too good of a strategy. Putting good young players with piece of garbage young players could actually hinder and have a negative impact on the young players growth. Additionally, the Bulls still have to make money and want to put as solid of a team forward. They have every intent of making the playoffs and I think part of that is they want the perception to be a playoff team without Rose, so that when they got Rose back and are looking for a 2nd star, said 2nd star will be pretty giddy about the Bulls chances, knowing they were a playoff team without its best player (and are trying to bring in X to be the 2nd star), which would probably make them immediate title contenders again. Dude, Hinrich is not good. Every team he has played for for the last 3 years has been worse offensively and defensively with him on the floor and if we have any expectation of him being on our roster in 3 years that is awful. Malcom Thomas is EXACTLY the type of player I am talking about. One can only hope that he signs with the Bulls and not one of the other teams pursuing him. Thank you for the ideal example, that's what we should be look at not frickin Nazr and Vlad and Hinrich.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) If you don't like Luol Deng/Joakim Noah/Taj Gibson then just gtfo, you aren't a Bulls fan. They're part of our core. If you don't like our core, don't like our team, don't like our FO, and all you do is whine about how much we suck, why are you even a Bulls fan? Who in God's name said they didn't like Deng Noah and Gibson?

Despite insinuations to the contrary I have nowhere suggested that: -we needed to trade for a star THIS summer -the Bulls aren't good at drafting -the Bulls front office didn't put together a contender the last 2 years -Derrick Rose's injury didn't destroy us -being patient with the roster in light of Rose's injury is a bad idea I'm simply saying that to go out and add mostly aging veterans and mostly guys who have literally ZERO chance of being a part of your core when Rose comes back simply doesn't jive with the overall plan the Bulls have pushed. Going into this season the only two guys who even have a chance of becoming a part of our core are Teague and Butler, both of which were draft picks. Getting younger on the bench than we did would have made a helluva lot more sense if the plan really was to just be patient until Rose comes back.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:53 AM) I didn't see marquee young talent just laying around. What do you expect, the team to be the most talented in the history of the league and every off-season being able to acquire great young talent. It doesn't happen. It takes a lot of work and the Bulls have hit on low picks better then most teams. They've hit with Thabo (whose a damn solid player for the Thunder), Asik, Taj, Butler (if he turns into even a solid bench player, thats a hit given where we picked him). Then there is Mirotic who looks like a hell of a pick at this point (still the jury is out). You can't ignore that track-record. And even this year, Bell isn't exactly old. Butler is taking steps forward and as a whole the key players on the team are on the right side of 30. Your first statement is a ridiculous exaggeration and demonstrates you aren't reading what i'm saying. Any young player with any talent has a better chance of being apart of the healthy-Derrick Rose Bulls than Hinrich, Vlad, Nazr so why not take a chance if you are truly building just for Rose's return? Bringing in proven re-treads does nothing to help that two year plan like a couple of young guys with at least SOME potential might. It's like they are caught between two plans of trying to win now and waiting for Rose to come back. They didn't get any younger this offseason, which just doesn't make sense. Even if the younger players you acquire may be slight talent downgrades from the old balls we brought in at least it jives with this 2014 plan. Maybe you find some contributors, maybe you don't, but you already KNOW that most of the guys you added this offseason have no place beyond two years and that's just a blatant fact. Might as well have seen if maybe you could find even one contributor for the future since you've already written off this season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) I realize Taj is a bit older, but he's still young in NBA terms. Noah isn't old. Deng isn't even old. This team is young. Yes it has some vets around those guys, but hell, I like having quality veterans around to tutelage our players. I'm not talking about the guys who were already on the team, I'm speaking to the additions of THIS offseason. If the plan is to be patient until Derrick comes back to 100% why add mostly aging veterans or guys who assuredly aren't part of your Derrick Rose plan anyways? Hinrich Nazr and Vlad Rad are old and largely useless, certainly not a part of the long-term Derrick Rose return plan. Belinelli is younger but if he plays well he will likely be a mere financial casualty of a bigger plan to add a star once his contract is up anyways. I'm fine with the patient approach, but it would seem to make a lot more sense to make see if we could add some pieces, take some fliers on players who at least have a shot of being a part of the core with Rose down the line.