DirtySox

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) I know the Sox are projected and expected to take a pitcher with the #13 overall pick, but I can't help but think Kenny is licking his lips if this guy falls to #13..... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/924427-...andings/page/11 He just looks like someone we would typically draft. Victor broke his wrist yesterday. Likely to miss the entire season. Someone make a draft thread already!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 24, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) I almost want to throw the "I'd ban myself" cliche post for Morel hitting 30 homers in a season. I just can't see it happening in the game today. Agreed. I was certainly amused by the article though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) Yes, he's not going to be a 30 home run hitter, and he only hit like .230 during September. The power surge was nice but he needs to achieve some balance. Brent Morel is the next next Jose Bautista!

I'm changing my answer to 2015. Not even close to happening this season. I also think Kenny is going to be forced to reload even further which pushes back the time table even more requiring development time for newly acquired prospects. Couple that with the Tigers in their prime for the near future, I don't see the Sox doing much for a few seasons.

Your user name pains me. 2016.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) Really, they have blood testing now? Yay! http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/st...-HGH/53224890/1

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:28 PM) Huh? Probably referring to the bandage on his arm. I'd imagine from HGH testing which is reportedly requiring players to have 7 vials of blood drawn. Many players are complaining about it and how it's making them sick and feel like s*** well afterwards.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) Theo just kicked his dog. Why? With the new CBA he's as limited in international spending as everyone else is.

Seems about right. I'd guess 75 to 77 wins.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) Which is scary. He has 22 IP above A ball and now the pressure is on to pitch in the majors leagues. Let the guy develop. He has 292 career IP. This. It's ridiculous that people are okay with it other than perhaps a September call-up. Hopefully Kenny is just blowing smoke. Let these prospects develop in the minors. No need to continue to rush prospects, especially in a rebuilding year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) MLB Whispers: White Sox could outbid Cubs for Soler The Chicago Tribune speculates that the White Sox could overspend to ''make a deal happen'' with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler. Have a good evening, fellas. I'm going out to get s***faced with the family. This should get you all going. Do it. If you are going to overspend on something it might as well be on this before the CBA changes. Not like it makes sense to spend it on whatever's left in the free agent market.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 04:34 PM) Regarding what that scout said, if the Sox are right about Sale and Molina being top-of the-rotation starters and Viciedo being an impact bat the heavy lifting of the rebuilding might just be over. If only it was that easy.

A lengthy but great piece on the state of the White Sox by Mark Gonzales. Not much to disagree with. Here's hoping Kenny isn't hesitant to blow it up if we see more of the same. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...2620,full.story

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:54 PM) ■if Viciedo has enough service time to qualify for arbitration after 2011, he may void 2012 season (if voided, club may exercise option at $3.5M) He only has 0.123 years of service as of now, of course. Where does it say somewhere in print that we control his rights all the way through 2017? Service Time (01/2012): 0.123, Arb Eligible: 2015, Free Agent: 2018

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:49 PM) So we theoretically control Viciedo through 2017? That doesn't sound right. Why not? His contract was essentially a signing bonus that was doled out over 4 years. He also won't be making the league minimum after this year due to CBA rules, but that's the only difference really. As Hahn said a few years ago, Dayan is under team control just as if he was a player drafted by the White Sox.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:21 PM) Something I've noticed in a lot of articles about the 3 Cubans is the tidbit that Viciedo is in the last year of his contract. Is this true? Didn't think it was. Most of the writers are clueless and don't understand his contract. Someone at the Trib was actually under the impression that he's a free agent at the end of the year which was face-palm worthy. He's not even arbitration eligible until 2015.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) Some might be lauding the Cubs' aggressiveness and open wallets, but I can hardly imagine that this constitutes a great signing at the dollars mentioned. I know you can't so easily compare it to someone like Borchard or Mark Prior, but the dollar figures have just gotten insane with an unproven five tool player. I'll take 10-15 Brian Goodwins over 1 Soler. It's not like there aren't any other five tool players in the Dominican, Asian market or Venezuela. Soler's just become way overvalued because of the circumstances. Someone mentioned Moneyball and exploiting a market, but the White Sox already set the precedent there, not the A's or the Cubs. The Cubs are like the mailman who buys the latest hot stock tip (Enron and WorldCom, you can't lose!) or plow their life savings into the property market at the height of the euphoria. The White Sox already got in and got out while it still made sense from a cost-benefit analysis standpoint. The Cubs have the money to blow on such signings, so the circumstances hardly matter. Especially since the market changes completely for international signings and the draft in a few months. If Kenny had the resources and go ahead from Jerry to go wild before the "cap" is instituted, you'd bet he'd be throwing that money around. It's certainly not a shrewd move by Theo, just a I have lots of spending money move. There's not a chance JR would have allowed that much money be spent on unproven talent anyhow. We all see know how he treats the draft.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) I'm happy that the Sox didn't end up spending a fortune on these 3 Cubans, but the question has to be asked "what exactly was KW talking about when he said that trading Quentin allowed them to do some creative things financially they couldn't have done before the trade"? He likely wanted to sign at least one of the Cubans, but the price wasn't right. Unfortunately it seems that money is going to go right back into Jerry's pocket. Not much else to spend it on at this point.

The White Sox made Morosi's "5 teams that won't win the World Series" list. Along with the Astros, Athletics, Mariners, and the Mets. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-tea...n-Astros-021212

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) Soler, according to one report, will be making $27.5 million with the Cubs for three or four years. He may have been courted by Cubs ownership and front-office officials while they were visiting their new Dominican academy earlier this month. That's just an incredible amount for a player who's arguably going to be starting 2012 in High A and is at least 2 years away from the majors, from all scouting reports. It's a great deal of money. It's also Theo taking advantage of his resources and the opportunity to splurge before the CBA changes. Just like so many teams did in the 2011 draft. Since Epstein now has limitations on draft spending, might as well dump that money elsewhere. No better a place than in amateur talent for a rebuilding club, especially one with Soler's upside. Dude is a significant talent and would be a single digit draft choice if he were a draft eligible player.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 08:54 PM) Van Dyck is making it sound like the Cubs have Soler all wrapped up and ready to sign when he's granted free agency. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5338208.story Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Very much so. RT @Carl9730: @Kevin_Goldstein Are you taking seriously the Trib report that Soler to Cubs is all but done?

Van Dyck is making it sound like the Cubs have Soler all wrapped up and ready to sign when he's granted free agency. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5338208.story

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2012/02...erious-pla.html

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 12, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) Ugh. Damn them and their competent front office. They might end up with all three of Concepcion, Soler, and Cespedes. Wouldn't surprise me. They've signed more Cubans than the Sox in recent years too.

Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Rumors out of the DR today that the Cubs are making a very very big play for Jorge Soler.