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Fangraphs take. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/h...ictor-martinez/ I agree with it for the most part. There are options, and if the Tigers are smart and/or creative with what they do, his absence won't be as pronounced as many people think.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 02:20 PM) I can dream, can't I? ;-) As for all the players in the Blue Jays' system, I really really really hope that if the Sox trade Floyd to them, that Drew Hutchison is included in the return package. I'm very high on Hutchison, I think he'll be better than Deck McGuire, and he dosnt have as much fanfare as McGuire, so I think Hutchison can be had. Hutchinson is a reasonable name that would headline a Floyd trade I'd imagine. I'd be fine with it.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) If Floyd is traded, then these are the type of packages I'd like to see from the following teams: Toronto Blue Jays: Trade Floyd for a package of Drew Hutchison, Jake Marisnick, and Adeiny Hechevarria. (Swap Hechevarria for Deck McGuire if possible) Boston Red Sox: Trade Floyd for a package of Bryce Brentz, Will Middlebrooks, and Ryan Lavarnway. (Brentz is the guy I'd really like to acquire from the Red Sox, along with Lavarnway as a close 2nd. Lavarnway can replace Flowers in the depth chart) Baltimore: Not really interested in any players from the Baltimore system. :-\ Pittsburgh Pirates: Trade Floyd, Morel, and a low level prospct for Pedro Alvarez and Kyle McPherson. (I doubt the Pirates would be a good trade partner for the Sox because of how Floyd's contract being a little too pricey for them, but I'd LOVE to see Pedro Alvarez on the Sox. First 2 packages won't happen. They are both drastic overpays.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) If we got Lavarnway or Hechevarria for Floyd I'd flip s***. Hechevarria isn't anything special. Most don't think he will hit.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 12:20 PM) Does Baltimore have anything of value to trade to Chicago? Almost all of those starters they had never panned out. They have some prospects of worth. Bundy won't (and can't) be traded. Machado is going nowhere. I'm sure one or two of Arrieta, Tillman, and Matusz are guys Kenny thinks Coop could fix. Though who knows how the O's view Matusz currently. Was a mess last year. Bucket noted Parker Bridwell in the past, but he's far from a centerpiece of a trade at this point. I'd like Kenny to stay away from the major league ready but struggling O's pitchers myself. Not sold on any of them. I like Britton, but he's staying put. Top 20 Orioles Prospects 2012

Good. Toronto matches up best with the Sox prospect-wise. Boston has some interesting pieces too. I'd like to see a deal get done.

Cowley notes that the 2012 slogan is "Appreciate the game." Obviously not official yet. Does Soxtalk close all threads that mention Joe Cowley in it too?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) Myles Jaye rated equal to Tyler Saladino??? Really!! KG is too low on Saladino in my opinion. Odd since he liked him previously.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) Anti-rebuilding crusade? Haha. Just tired of the assumption that KW is the worst GM in the major leagues because of 2-3 trades and signings that backfired miserably. To tell the truth, it's far easier to criticize than to defend. At some point in the last 4 months or so, I suppose I made a conscious decision to try to be optimistic rather than to just slam every move Williams makes. And to also point out that there are QUITE a few teams that enter 2012 in worse standing than us. The Rangers went through a rough period there for almost a decade, and where Daniels was learning on the go and putting his team in place. The fact that they now have the financial resources to sign both Fielder and Darvish in one fell swoop after the team was technically bankrupt...a pretty big success story. Nevertheless, the Rangers aren't splitting or sharing a market like the White Sox are....the Metroplex is growing and growing, heck, much of Texas is trending upwards. We can and should look at the Braves, Mariners, Giants/A's, DBacks, Cardinals, Twins, Brewers and Tigers as similar markets to ours. Forget the NY and BOS comps. Even NY now claims they only have $2 million to spend on Carlos Pena or J. Damon...and the Red Sox claim to not have enough guaranteed money for Roy Oswalt. I just keep seeing you post articles saying rebuilding doesn't work, or articles highlighting that other teams are bad too. I don't think Kenny is the worst GM in baseball. He's certainly been bad lately though. As far as finances go, it's quite obvious that NY and Boston have more money to play with than the Sox, but the White Sox aren't some poor small market club. The teams you posted are fine comparables, and it exemplifies my point. Teams can have a good farm system that significantly compliments free agent signings and trades. It's what the White Sox should aspire to be, and I hope it comes to fruition in the coming years.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2012 -> 01:38 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ah0t...s_wilpon_011512 and Mets fans know frustration like the Duggars know procreation – is a simple fact: The cornucopia of middling free agents the Mets signed this offseason will make more money this year than Jose Reyes. It’s true. Among Frank Francisco ($5.5 million), Jon Rauch ($3.5 million), Ronny Cedeno ($1.15 million) and Scott Hairston ($1.1 million), the Mets handed out $11.25 million in salaries for 2012. The Miami Marlins will pay Reyes $10 million this year. And while one can question both the intelligence and sincerity of a mega-backloaded deal like the one Miami gave Reyes, he will wear a Marlins uniform, not a Mets one, and that alone is damning. Trying to piecemeal together a ballclub like the Mets have done almost never works. Incremental upgrades work for contending teams. They’re wasted money for teams intent on slicing their payroll by one-third as the Mets are. As tough as it would have been to hand the injury-prone Reyes the six years Miami did, the structure of the contract actually made sense for the Mets, who have no money now but, whether under new ownership or a vanity-share-stabilized Fred Wilpon, should a few years down the road. Instead, the Mets – the least-talented team in the NL East by a fairly large margin – spent the winter working on their bullpen. And while it projects as a potential strength, relief pitching is notoriously difficult to peg year-over-year, and the possibility for implosion is almost as strong. Moreover, bullpen strength is almost always an endgame for teams on the upswing. Lock down the starting pitching, fortify the lineup, then bolster the bullpen. The Mets are trying to build from the bottom up, the sort of strategy that works just about never. Fred Wilpon For as long as he has been in his cash-flow muck, Fred Wilpon has received unfailing support from the best ally possible: commissioner Bud Selig. Wilpon is different than Dodgers deadbeat Frank McCourt, Selig says through actions since he can’t through words; the Mets’ owner was worthy, after all, of a $25 million loan from Major League Baseball that he still hasn’t repaid. But pressure is mounting. More bills are coming due. One source says MLB is likely to let the creditors’ squeeze force Wilpon into considering selling, which isn’t exactly imminent – and could set the franchise back even more. If Wilpon wanted what was best for the Mets, he’d sell now and give the club a chance to avoid the wrecking ball barreling toward him. Instead, this is about him and his family and their team, and so he olés the wrecking ball, knowing its target is the team onto which he so desperately wants to hold. It’s sad really, this proud franchise sullied by a man whose greed overwhelmed the greater good of the thing he purportedly loved. Sounds a lot, in fact, like someone with whom Fred Wilpon was intimately familiar: Bernie Madoff. What does this have to do with anything? I guess I don't understand your anti-rebuilding crusade or what you're trying to prove. I don't think anyone is advocating a homegrown only roster. I don't want to follow the Royals model. I want to follow the Red Sox, Yankees, and Rangers. Teams with good to great farm systems that augment the ability to sign free agents and make trades. The White Sox are likely going to go through a down season (or two or three). Hopefully they will be bolstering the farm and setting themselves up financially to make smart signings and jump back in AL Central contention at that time.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 16, 2012 -> 11:19 AM) If I had the chance to swap Floyd with all his salary for something solid and grab Oswalt for $8m for a year, I'm all over it assuming my medical team think he can hit 150 IP this year. We're in a good position to eat the deficit in innings from Buerhle/Floyd with our veritable plethora of similarly-mediocre SP prospects. This will be a year where we get to look at a ton of guys, methinks. Yep. Could be a great move. I'm starting to think Floyd isn't going anywhere though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2012 -> 02:37 PM) That's my point. I'm not going to buy all the hype that his workout tape was supposed to make, i)n 1994 Michael Jordan would probably have been able to make quite a workout tape himself, and if you threw him a BP fastball he probably could hit it 450), but his numbers indicate he should be able to play a little bit, and certainly if he were game ready, he'd probably be able to put up big numbers in the DWL. Also a lot of guys making big money have problems with sliders. Right. I'm saying it's absurd for anyone to think less of him now based off an extremely rusty 2 game performance in the DWL.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) If the few ABs Cepedes is getting in the DWL is dropping his price by millions and making it more likely the Sox have a shot at him, I hope he fans every time up. How anyone could put that much into these few ABs would amaze me, and I hope every organization except the Sox does. I'm with you, I'd prefer both, but either one would be fine. Dude hasn't played for months. The only thing that I've taken from his performance so far is he has trouble with sliders.

Want. Let the Marlins overpay for Cespedes.

Oneyguillen Oney Guillen @ProfessorFog hahah enjoy the Chihuaha 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Oneyguillen Oney Guillen @ProfessorFog even better thats why its peanuts to an elephant. Guy was just awful. Awful for the sox should be embarassed he is stealing $ 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Meh. I hope he goes off publicly.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 14, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) I hope he does, it'll be entertaining. Plus, Ozzie's not related to the White Sox anymore, so Oney can go embarrass him and his family all he wants. I sent him a link to the article.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 08:37 PM) Somebody brought this up on another forum. But the Yankees should have traded Felix, not Pineda. You let the Yankees pay Felix what he's worth the next 3 years (60 million over that time) and you keep Pineda, who's cheap and has the potential to be just as good. In return, you get a boat load of the Yanks' prospects, including Montero, Betances, Banuelos, etc. This frees up a lot of money for them to go sign Fielder and you build your farm even more. Of course, there's no guarantee that the Yankees will give Seattle their entire farm for Felix. Agreed fully. I wonder if the M's were worried about fan backlash from trading Felix though?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) Wow, the Yankees rotation just went from crap to good. 1. CC 2. Pineda 3. Kuroda 4. Nova 5. Hughes/Burnett/Garcia That's solid. Also have Betances and Banuelos waiting in the wings. Great depth.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) You gotta figure the Red Sox HAVE to get a SP now. Floyd maybe? I hope so. I imagine they look into Edwin though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 08:11 PM) Cespedes is an attendance move? A guy who probably starts the year at Charlotte? Are there that many Cuban expats in Chicago to buy tickets? Other than the 2 already on our roster? Yea. I'm not sure I think Cespedes would draw the crowds. A good baseball move though? Sure.

Hey Boston. We don't have a Pineda, but how about a Gavin Floyd?

Campos is a pretty solid prospect in his own right. I like this deal much better for NY.

GregJohnsMLB Greg Johns No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi. 11 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) I don't care how good Montero is projected to be. Why does Seattle trade a guy who looks like a dominating pitcher, a potential #1 type and who is very young? I don't understand why Seattle is making this trade. Am I over-hyping Pineda? Seattle desperately needs hitters. Montero will do just that. (and not much else) The Mariners also have plenty of great pitching in the pipeline, notably Hultzen, Paxton and Taijuan Walker. Those are the reasons I can think of. Though I agree, I'd rather have Pineda. I wonder if one of Banuelos and Betances is coming over too? Would make the trade more palatable for the M's.

Should benefit both sides significantly, but Pineda is a HUGE get for the Yankees. Montero can hit for sure, but the defensive value is about null. He's not a catcher. Also, more players involved in the trade.