DirtySox

Rongey currently defending the White Sox draft/amateur spending on Twitter while being refuted by Southside Larry and Jim Margalus. Rongey makes me want to rage. He's just so awful. This gem is particularly cringe worthy. Yep. Those are the only options.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:50 PM) Wouldn't it just be easier if someone just named a farm system they believe is worse than that of the Sox and argue it out from there? Fathom kinda did, and the Marlins are probably the only one worth arguing for. I had thought maybe the Brewers, but they restocked rather nicely via the draft as well as had some breakout prospects despite selling the farm for Greinke and Marcum.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) This is the problem with "scouting gurus," they outright lie. That's a fun accusation. KG has plenty of MLB organizational scouts and sources at his disposal. He merely relays what he's told regarding these guys in conjunction with what one might derive from the statistics.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:21 PM) I think this gets at the difference between... how good is an organization at producing major league talent... versus how much talent is currently in said system. For talent in the system, the Sox are certainly going to be near the bottom on most people's lists. But as Rock pointed out, you are looking at a system that, over a less than three year period, produced its starting 3B (Morel), starting 2B (Beckham), starting RF in 2012 (Viciedo), backup and likely future starting C (Flowers - partial credit), a reliever and 2012 starter (Sale), their closer who converted positions (Santos), another likely MLB starter (Axelrod), a highly touted reliever for 2012 (Reed), their utility man (Stealth Elf, partial credit), and of course a very successful starter they traded (Hudson). That is 10 guys since the 2008 draft. How many other teams can say they did that? Some yes, many no. I think you have to look at both sides. The Sox have gotten decent performance from their system, but their depth of talent is sorely lacking. Two related, but still distinct, viewpoints. I was going to get into this as well with Rock's point. The system has certainly churned out some starters on the current roster, but the jury is still out on the quality of many of them. I wouldn't be touting Beckham currently. He's been rather disappointing in my eyes. Morel might be a solid 3B (and I like him), but we still don't know how he will hit. Conversely, Santos, Sale, Reed, and Dayan I'm quite confident in. Flowers and Axelrod not so much. I would agree the Sox have been improving in said regard though, and Dan had a well stated post about this topic recently in another thread. I just wish the spending and influx of talent into the system could be heightened, but that likely isn't going to happen under Jerry's watch. Cross your fingers for hard slotting I suppose.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) Here is the latest I could find. I still wonder how much research they put into it and contend that a lot of it is a guessing game. Just like when rivals.com does its star rankings for HS football and basketball recruits. That being said, the state of the farm system is something KW needs to address if he wants to rehabilitate his reputation with Sox fans. http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/10/2011-farm-system-rankings/ It's very much subjective but you are generally going to find similar rankings across the board. The Rangers are almost assuredly going to be in the top 5 everywhere, while the Sox will likely be in the Bottom 5 universally. Sites like Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus take it very seriously. It's what they do, it's why they exist. Also, the author of that article Frankie Piliere is reputable. Though one needs to note that the article is from February. Sale and Morel graduated and are no longer considered prospects. The piece also was written before the 2011 draft, where the Sox didn't have a 1st round pick, and at the same time spent the absolute least on bonus expenditures amongst all MLB teams.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 06:59 PM) So next year we will have our 3B, SS (kinda), 2B, RF, C, and about 3-4 pitchers brought in organically through our system. Not really bad. I don't disagree, but this is largely irrelevant when the topic at hand is the current farm system makeup. Reed, Stewart, Thompson, Saladino, Escobar, Axelrod, Doyle? Meh.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) A flippant remark on twitter is taken as gospel? I don't think the Sox minor league system is all that great but let's see someone do the hard work of comparing it in depth to the 29 other teams. Also it usually takes several years to more accurately judge those that are considered prospects right now. This happens annually at pretty much every noteworthy prospecting site/publication. Expect the rankings relatively soon. A universal bottom 3 ranking is all but guaranteed.

QUOTE (NHDadUmp-RI @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) John, never let a few interesting facts interfere with a good story. The next time Stankevitz or Goldstein see Terry will be their first. And if they don't get a chance to watch him pitch a baseball game, it's their loss. The following is from the Arizone Fall League's website, written by people who have watched him pitch 3 times. "2011 AFL Game Notes Wednesday, October 19, 2011 RHP Terry Doyle (CWS) pitched a league season-high five innings in his start vs. Salt River Monday while yielding one hit (solo HR) and striking out four ... pitched four perfect innings Oct. 11 ... tied for league lead with two wins ... second with 0.32 WHIP ... leads starters with .077 opponents’ batting average (3-39) ... top-10 in ERA (1.42) ... second among starters with 0.71 walks-per-nine-innings ratio (1 BB, 12.2 IP)" What about that has anything to do with seeing him pitch? Those are all quantitative results. Their isn't a single qualitative statement in that blurb.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 05:28 PM) Isn't it ironic how two of the highest rated pitching prospects we have now are the soft-tossing righties that KW was so opposed to a few years ago (Doyle and Axelrod)? Pretty much. Neither are much to write home about either. I'm amused when people rationalize that it's okay the farm is awful, and that it's only because we graduated Sale and Morel.

Hard to disagree. The Sox haven't replenished well. Graduations aren't a legitimate justification for it being as bad as it is right now.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 15, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) Buddy Bell was on the radio this morning... Said Jared Mitchell had a great Instructional League working with Laker and Manto. We'll see how that plays out next year. Crossing my fingers. It's getting close to do or die with him.

Kind of disappointing. Brett was one of the few quality beat guys around. His stuff was somewhat Saber inclined which is a nice change of pace.

QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Well, Kevin Davidoff of Newsday thinks the Yankees should trade for Danks, among other moves. Link His impression is that Danks, coming off a down year but with good peripherals is not going to exact a gargantuan price in prospects. Not sure what that means, but he doesn't appear to think the Yankees should use what I assume are their top prospects (Jesus Montero , Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos or Mason Williams) to get him, but maybe some of what I assume are there next level down prospects (Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez, Adam Warren, Slade Heathcott). Also I'm not sure he is suggesting all four of them, but at least you get the idea of what someone on the outside thinks Danks is worth. I'd love Gary Sanchez and/or Slade. Not sure why some people are enamored with Romine though. He's a pretty underwhelming prospect.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 10:31 PM) The guy is a great gm people. He's made bad moves just like every general manager but he's one of the best in the game. Huge get for the Cubs. Agreed. I think many people's distaste for anything Cubs is getting in the way here.

Pretty exciting for the Cubs. I'd wager he has the Cubs in contention faster than Kenny does the Sox at this point. Will be interesting to see the compensation involved.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) His answer was a complete non-answer So about as useful as the pieces he pens?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) I would not mind dealing A.J. at all. I would do a dance if he was sent packing.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) After 8 years of posting on these boards, the only thing that is certain is that nobody knows a players trade value. Yep. While it's fun to throw around prospect names, it's why I try and stay out of these type of threads.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) I thought he was under team control until the end of the 2013 season. Nope.

Bernstein's assessment of the situation and the Ventura hiring is pretty much how I view things. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/10/06/ber...es-why-ventura/

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) Amazing column by Cowley. Wow. Cooper was THAT MUCH of a snake? Wait til the players read this. Horrible joke of a franchise. I just knew KW was sucking up and this proves it. And Cooper? The people who have said what a rotten personality he has? This just makes sense he'd look out for No. 1. I LOVE Ozzie's text to Coop. It's Ozzie's way of letting him know bout Judas. If this is true, Cowley deserves a sports Pulitzer for the scoop. And to think I today was thinking Coop deserved the job over Ventura. Coop sounds like he may ruin the clubhouse next year when this story is made public to the players. Nobody likes a backstabber. Nobody! Greg is someones gimmick account right?

Elated that the Tigers won. f*** the Yankees. Now if the Phillies lose, all is right in the world.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) He also thinks we're not in rebuild mode and that he expects a solid offseason and competing next year, TTFWIW. Am I missing something? Why do people think this? If we are "All-In" again next year, we hire the most unproven commodity there is to manage the ball club? (I'm not against his hiring) What about Kenny's comments that he doesn't expect Ventura to hit the ground running, and that he will have to grow into the job over the years? The reiteration that there won't be a marquee signing this offseason? The comments about reining it in and playing the kids because of always trying for that knockout punch? Maybe I'm completely off-base, but it seems to me that they are hiring a younger green manager (which I'm okay with) to go along with the younger inexperienced roster of this year and perhaps next.

ChrisDeLuca Chris De Luca More Ken Williams on Robin Ventura: "With the current roster, and our future roster, he is just the guy that we have to have." #whitesox 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Apparently the Sox didn't contact Alomar or Francona at all about the managerial opening.