DirtySox

Kanny opening day roster: http://static.newsroom.mlbcontrol.net/docu...ster_040210.pdf

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) TV? Nope. On WSCR though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:31 PM) Ugh, Nix at 3B? Come on Teahen, get it together! Teahen is on the back fields today putting in more swing work.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) Bill Melton name of the day: Dexter Flowers. Don't forget Gordon Danks.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Mar 15, 2010 -> 11:18 PM) Leesman gave up 2 runs. Just saw the box score, 9-1. Sigh... Viciedo struck out again. Bad sign. And the bullpen got rocked. Not that any of the probable 25 man roster guys oithced. At De Aza got a tripe. Good to see. 3 errors, not so good. Not a good night overall. The box score is not nearly indicative enough of his ugly the game was. Countless walks, passed balls, popups dropping between fielders, grounders through the legs, pitchers throwing to the wrong base, pitchers late in covering first, wild throws to first, and dropped throws at first. I think that covers everything.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 15, 2010 -> 10:11 PM) I don't know, someone said he was earlier in this thread. They were incorrect. http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...n-throwing.html

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 15, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) Has Jenks pitched yet? He isn't pitching tonight.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 6, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) Man, Viciedo looked awful in his last at-bat. He looked just as fugly in his previous at bat. Lunging at any breaking pitch and missing badly.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Mar 1, 2010 -> 03:47 PM) Who are you referring to, and is this something the White Sox have been linked to? Sounds like Berkman.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) I'm just saying that guys who decline offers are looking for a payday. Whether it's with the Sox or not, remains to be seen. Pretty sure he only declined one offer, and it was below what we was worth considering his 2008 campaign. I fully expect talks to resume if the finger problems are out of the picture.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 28, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) Honestly, I'd almost rather trade John Danks than Daniel Hudson in any Gonzalez/SD trade. With the way Danks1 has refused contract buyouts, he's almost certain to leave via free agency the first chance he gets. The way he's been refusing contract buyouts? Do you know something we don't? Because the only offer I'm aware of was the near identical contracts that were offered to both Gavin and Carlos after the '08 season. He stated he wasn't approached with any deals this offseason, which I would assume is because the organization wants to see if the finger problem is behind him.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Feb 26, 2010 -> 11:08 AM) MLB-Tv will broadcast thirty spring training games and at least five of those are Sox games. You can see the TV schedule at MLB.Com And all those White Sox games on MLBNetwork are going to be blacked out in the Chicago land area. You can compare here: http://blog.timesunion.com/sportsmedia/spr...3732/#more-3732 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press...sp&c_id=cws

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Feb 21, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) In the world where he performs such that we want him back the next year. That was the premise of the post. Even if he has a good year, do you think he's capable of being in the top 40% of all the 1B/OF/DH in MLB based on statistics over his 2 previous seasons based primarily on AVG, OBP, HR, and RBI ? He was number 75 out of a group of 99 based on '08-'09 stats. It's not going to happen.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 21, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) Bah, worst case scenario, if he winds up being good enough that we'd want him back next year, we can offer him arbitration and steal an extra pick or two. Huh? In what world is Andruw Jones worth draft pick compensation? He won't even be close to sniffing Type B.

QUOTE (Real @ Feb 20, 2010 -> 10:41 AM) I think it's almost a lock for AJ to be back for at least 2011, I'd put that at about 95% probability. There's absolutely no way Kenny entrusts this pitching staff with Flowers next year. This isn't to say we don't make a deal for another catcher besides AJ, but I'd put AJ as the far and away favorite to be here next year Maybe they sign AJ to be Flowers caddy, but next year if it's not sink or swim with him, he should be traded. Flowers isn't some spring chicken. He will likely have had a full year at AAA and by spring training next year he's 25 years old. I would be shocked if AJ is back next year and Flowers is back in AAA.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) Smart move by Kenny. He's tired of Boras trying to make the Sox bid against themselves. Apparantly the reported 2 year $14M offer from the Tigers was BS. Boras had the Sox' $6M offer in his pocket and he was trying to squeeze more out of the Tigers while at the same time hoping the Sox would up their offer. Now with KW publicly declaring his offer is off the table, Damon and the Tigers both know that there is no other offer. If Damon really wants to play for the Sox for $6M, he'll have to call KW and commit himself. If not, he's stuck playing in detroit for whatever their last offer was, which apparently he wasn't too thrilled about in the first place. +1

Wasn't that exact article posted hours ago? Has it changed or something?

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) This latest report doesn't sound as promising http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4922858 Maybe it's just me, but Levine holds about as much weight as Cowley does. He's terrible.

Andy's White Sox Draft Preview is up: http://mlbbonusbaby.com/2010/02/17/2010-dr...cago-white-sox/

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) I would absolutely agree with that, but I think a ton of that has to do with positional value too. Viciedo is going to end up at 1B, unless for some reason the Sox want to try him in LF or RF. And not that I want to discount last year for Viciedo, just that I'm not looking too much as his statistics. The Sox pushed him too hard, and he really should have been in Winston-Salem. He did improve as the year went on, and that's a key. Agreed. I was rather surprised that Birmingham was his starting spot. The upward trend near the latter part of the season was encouraging, which made it even more disappointing that he got hurt in the AFL. I'm looking forward to seeing him in spring training to see how his conditioning is coming along since he supposedly has been training with Alexei most of the offseason.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) Dayan Viciedo put up .280/.317/.391/.708 with 20 doubles and 12 homers in 540 plate appearances as a 20 year old in AA in his first season in American baseball. Jared Mitchell put up .296/.417/.435/.852 in 139 plate appearances in low single-A ball as a 20 year old, and is coincidentally 5 months older than Viciedo. Beyond that, Viciedo has plus power potential, into like the 30+ homer range. Mitchell might have 20+ homer potential but it's going to be a while before we even see something close to that. I just think you're being overly harsh on Viciedo and overly easy on Mitchell. The fact of the matter is that both of them are absolutely full of potential, but you can't tell anything at this point. It's a big year for Viciedo, but I don't think the Sox are in any rush to get him to the majors. Not being overly harsh. It is what it is with Dayan. He didn't have a very good year with the bat or in the field. I'm not denying the fact that he is a legitimate prospect, or overlooking his age compared to the league or the acclimation factor. The hitting and power tools are there, but he isn't some magical 5 star prospect at this point in time. This coming season's performance will be much more telling. I'm not hyping Mitchell to be a sure thing, as he is anything but. He has the tools, but he needs to put them all together first. The sample size is far too small to be make any assessment right now. Just saying that all things being equal, if both players reach close to their ceiling, Mitchell is much more valuable.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 12:18 PM) My top 5 are Hudson-Flowers-Mitchell-Viciedo-Danks. Hudson and Flowers are MLB ready, Mitchell isn't but has ungodly upside, same for Viciedo, and D2 could be a serviceable OF soon enough. Mitchell and Viciedo's upside are quite different. I wouldn't qualify Viciedo's tools as ungodly at all. He might be able to hit for both average and power, but he hasn't demonstrated much of either just yet. The reviews of his bat speed are glowing, but he has quite a bit to figure out still and his swing mechanics are all over the place. (Though his 2 strike swing is nice.) His plate discipline is very questionable as well. Conditioning and defense are huge question marks right now, which is pretty evident with the move to 1B. He has upside and is definitely a legitimate prospect, but it is all in the bat as things currently stand. Mitchell on the other hand is a tool-shed. If things pan out he will be a complete player with a plus bat and plus defense. The only tool that has been questioned by scouts is the arm/throwing ability. I guarantee you that any team discussing major trade with the White Sox are salivating much more over Mitchell than Dayan. (Not to mention the amount of money owed to Dayan is also a roadblock in trade discussions. It isn't tons, but it is a significant amount.)

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 10:44 AM) Earlier when I said that, I said maybe 4 or 5 of them plus throw ins. The fact is, the top of farm system is good, and could possibly match any offer out there depending on what we give up. I'm not sure I buy into the farm system being the worst in baseball, but it is certainly in the lower third compared to the talent in other team's systems. I don't see it becoming more than middle of the pack unless Kenny removes his finger from the trade trigger anytime soon, or they increase draft spending (which desperately needs a boost). When Flowers and Hudson graduate (or are traded) will two more highly touted prospects have emerged to replace the talent that has departed the system? Also, if by top of the farm you mean Hudson and Flowers, I would agree. I think Morel is going to solidify himself into a solid "B" prospect this year. The glove is real nice, and the bat is coming along. As far as Viciedo/Danks, they still have plenty to prove despite the upside they both possess. Teams aren't banging down the door to acquire those guys at the moment.

White Sox in too? http://twitter.com/JimBowdenXMFOX/status/8977380156

Ilitch approved a 2 Year 14 million offer. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Detroit...ny-Damon-021110