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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 3, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) No, just no. Detroit got rid of some talent, had a declining Maggs back, had to put Porcello in the rotation and had more question marks than we did. Minny definitely does not have more talent, they just play to their strengths really well. Fields was not an iffy prospect. His rookie year he hit around 25 home runs without playing the whole year. No one considered him an iffy at best prospect. More like a potential Adam Dunn at 3B, which didn't work out. And are you telling me, Quentin having a bad spring training is good enough for you to not count on him? Wow. This guy was the MVP last year until he injured his own self. I still think Fields was an 'iffy' prospect on 4/1. True, he hit those home runs his rookie year (2007??); then, he was a great prospect. Crede came back, Fields went down, and he struggled ever since. I don't believe he excelled in ST. Hence, an 'iffy' prospect. Quentin..... wasn't he hurt in ST? Tough to count on when you're hurt. Beckham was not yet a factor. Pods was elsewhere. Getz was still a question mark. Combine all that and the CF dilemma, the Sox were a mediocre team at best coming out of ST. They had holes all over the place. Detroit and Minny had much more talent on 4/1 IMHO. Should be better next year.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 5, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) You had me until the Joe Morgan thing. I like Joe's analysis. Maybe he will manage sometime? Joe Morgan for years has said NO to manager offers.. Oakland tried years ago, someone else, too.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 08:12 PM) I listen to alot of the other team's announcers on my XM, and you can hate of chicago guys all you want, most of the other teams radio guys blow chunks. And the lady for the Yankmees makes me want to pull my haor out. She may know baseball, but her voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. And they are ALL homers. And, the obligatory good looking female between-the-innings Red Sox crew member asked Ozzie if Thome now has a better chance of making it to the World Series....

This is not a criticism of Hawk or Stoney, but sometimes the other team's announcers report differently. I'm watching the Boston telecast, and they pointed out that Rios has trouble with outside pitches and Quentin runs like his right foot is still troubling him. Not that this is newsworthy, but Chicago announcers don't seem st say stuff like that.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Sep 3, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) LF Podsednik (2yr deal) 3B Beckham 1B Konerko DH Abreu or Dye (FA) (2yr deal) RF Quentin CF Rios C AJ/Flowers 2B Ramirez SS Alex Gonzalez [/size](FA, better defense at SS, trade Getz since he's proved to be a MLB 2b and get prospects, because Alexei cant handle SS) Nix Alex Cora (FA) Flowers (C/1B?) Reed Johnson (FA) Ramon Castro Wise/kotsay Alex Gonzalez? You gotta be kidding. Peavy Buehrle Danks Floyd Freddy/Hudson Jenks Thorton Chad Cordero (FA) Torres Carrasco Nunez Linebrink I think with Thome , Contreras, Dye, Dotel off the books (35+ million) sox will spend some money on top of peavy and rios.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 11:58 AM) Well Fields was a hot prospect up until this year. CF was a problem, but that was supposed to be the #9 hitter. LF was supposed to be Quentin. On paper, the White Sox had the most talent. It's very easy to see why he predicted the Sox would win. Why wouldn't he? Because Detroit and Minny have more talent. Fields was a very iffy prospect at best on 4/1; Center field figured to be a disaster, and it was; Quentin had a poor ST as I recall. As for 2010, all three positions should be much better. I look for Beckham to be a 'leader' next year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2009 -> 12:53 PM) Linebrink isn't going anywhere unless we pick up another horrible contract. Me personally, I'd rather just bet on him becoming a decent reliever, versus picking up someone else's crap. What are the details on his contract? Did we inherit it or did Kenny do it?

QUOTE (Cubano @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 10:25 AM) Minoso also hit 24 in 1958. He is listed in LF and OF. It is confusing. I thought he was primarely a CF. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...i01.shtml?redir Kalapse: How about Minoso? Minoso was a left fielder all the way. I think Jim Busby played CF when Frank Lane (GM) stole Minnie from Cleveland circa 1950-1951.

Another strong game for Richard. Russell in relief. I think the Padres like the trade.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 08:33 AM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn I usually like to listen to Phillips, but he is not an expert on the White Sox. I am certain there are several readers here who know more about the Sox than he does. So, he really didn't say anything profound in his article. His article took up space, that's all. He admitted he picked the sSox to win the division, so that disqualifies him as any kind of guru. In terms of personnel in April, how can you have picked the Sox with what they had at third, left, and center? This was a bad team from the get-go. There was no reason to pick them to win anything. Kenny has a lot of work to do, but at least he patched a couple of holes.

Hynick was going to be brought up by the Rockies in September

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 09:40 PM) Damn. I'll miss Thome. Hopefully Kenny laid the groundwork for him to go to a contender, and maybe to come back next year. Why do you want Thome back? You like strikeouts? Time for him to retire.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:12 AM) Guess we'll never know. But, having another left handed power hitter always helps. We will know, probably mid season 2010.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 11:44 AM) Wow, the future just came a bit sooner then i thought. He deserves the promotion, should be fun to watch him play down the stretch. Might mean the end for Castro.

San Diego loves the trade.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) While I criticize KW from time to time (mostly because there are so many people who think he can do no wrong) picking out 2 trades in 9 years is a bit ridiculous. Everyone screws up. I still think in the long run the Swisher trade isn't as bad as you think. He's not a CF and didn't have a place to play on the White Sox. They got out of his contract. We'll see how he does the next several years. Rios probably isn't a White Sox if Swisher is around, and he's a better player, and they did use the money they saved this year to sign Viciedo. The Foulke trade was bad at the time, the Sox may have won the WS in 2003 or 2004 if they kept him, but Cotts did help them win in 2005 even if Koch was done when they acquired him. May vs. did, I'll take the did anytime. So many bad trades wind up decently. When Hawk was GM, he was criticized for trading Bobby Bonilla for Jose DeLeon. DeLeon was a decent pitcher who eventually turned into Lance Johnson. A guy that helped the Sox win a lot of games. Hawk supposedly ruined the White Sox, a team not good enough to win previously when they had Britt Burns (who never pitched again) and Tom Seaver (who didn't wan't to play in the midwest anymore) and Bob James (who fell apart) leading their pitching staff in 1985. He also acquired Ivan Calderon for almost nothing, and Calderon help the Sox have a great season in 1990, before he was turned into Tim Raines. He was also criticized for turning over the scouting dept., the department that drafted Kurt Brown over Barry Bonds. I'm using Hawk as an example of grading the Swisher trade. Its waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to early to grade it. Granted Betemit and Marquez aren't long for getting paid to play baseball, but what if Viciedo becomes a star? What if Nunez becomes dominant? Perhaps those are longshots, but what if Rios outplays Swisher for years? That's almost a guarantee. Good post, Dick. We can probably have a separate thread on Kenny's deals. He does make it interesting, but the Foulke trade was bad, Neil Cotts' 2005 contribution notwithstanding. He should have known better than to acquire Koch, then give him $12 MM. Then the Swisher trade -- I wish Kenny would not even talk to Beane. I never understood giving up on Sweeney, especially since he can play CF. Gio, too. All of the Carl Everett and Alomar deals were so-so. Kenny has a habit of getting over the hill players like them; also, Darrin Erstad, who was an embarrassment. He throws worse than Pods. Same with Betemit. I thought he gave up way too much for Thome, given that we did the Phillies a huge favor by taking Thome, since all they had was Ryan Howard ready to go. There were others, some of which I forgot. Although it doesn't sound like it, I like Kenny.

QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Aug 24, 2009 -> 07:15 PM) I've been following this guy since I couldn't find any info on him earlier in the season. Name: Leighton Pangilinan Born: March 6, 1991 Height: 6'3 Weight: 230 Position: 1B Bats: Left Throws: Right School: Escalon High School (California) Drafted: 2009, 40th Round - 1213 overall Stats at Bristol: AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS SH SF GIDP OBP SLG OPS .303 37 119 8 36 7 0 3 15 4 24 0 1 1 2 6 .325 .437 .762 Great name, too. Pangilinan and Shoemaker on same team.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Aug 24, 2009 -> 09:46 AM) Vicideo is a good candidate for 1B. He might be too short to be an average first baseman. Speaking of that, Konerko is underrated defensively. Never would have said that 5-6 yrs ago.

How does DSL compare to other minor league levels?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 10:24 AM) I completely agree. I think his agent f***ed him over big-time. But he also screwed himself over. I never saw a final list of signees. Is there a link available?

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 09:04 AM) I just fear this is our Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell trade. Kenny Williams hasn't had a big trade bite him in the ass yet (Kip Wells and Fogg for Todd Ritchie was bad, but neither were perennial All Star players). The entire Swisher escapade should make Kenny blush. Also, the Keith Foulke trade to Oakland for whatshisname, made worse when Kenny gave him $6MM. Foulke still had 2-3 good years left.

I have never seen Quentin in RF. He's barely marginal in left. Can't see him on RF next year.

QUOTE (Fedor @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 03:04 PM) Brandon MaCarthy, Neal Cotts and Gio Gonzalez struck out a lot of A-ball hitters, too. Big deal. Dex Carter needs to prove he's Corwin Malone before Padres annoint as anything "next" All three of those guys made it to the majors, and the jury is still out on Gio. I wish I were a fly on EW's wall when he made the Peavy trade. Wonder which of our guys put it over. Seems to me like Padres would have done it for Pareda and Richard alone once Peavy was injured. I think we gave up too much.

What do you guys know about this prospect? Stats sure look good.