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The wonders of the six man rotation.

QUOTE (The Baconator @ Aug 10, 2011 -> 08:27 AM) I agree. Did anyone else notice the advertisements for Sunday Night Baseball last week when we played the Yankees- the do the side by side of a representative player from each team and our pic was of Paulie... wearing the vest jersey. Is that really their most recent photo of having the Sox on ESPN...? (veiled attempt to disguise my hatred for ESPN) That pissed me off.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2011 -> 04:46 AM) C'mon Charlie Brown, kick the football. Oops, what happened? The winning run was the Indians' first since they scored two in the first inning. The game started at 7:06 p.m. and ended at 1:52 a.m. It was the Tribe's 13th walk-off win at home. They are 18-14 in games decided in the last at-bat. The Indians managed just three hits in the last 13 innings. The win went Frank Herrmann (3-0), the seventh and final reliever to pitch for the Tribe. If the game had gone to the 15th inning, Josh Tomlin was warming to enter. cleveland.com/sports Choo likely to come back next week. Sizemore, possibly back in September. 12 in a row at home against DET. Let's go, Indians. At least for 2 more games. Or do we want CLE to split with Verlander winning the final game? Sweeping DET would seem to be the preferable result, even if it keeps them in front of us. By the way, I bet not too many teams in MLB history have made the playoffs with a record of more than 5 games under .500 at home and more than 5 games over .500 on the road. Solutions? Stay in a hotel for home games and bus over together? Play in Milwaukee? Black/alternate jerseys at home? Switch dugouts? Tell Carlos to quit being "so intense" in front of home crowds, where he has sucked this season...and Gordon the last couple of years?? Trick Gavin into thinking home games are road games....like in "Goodbye, Lenin!"??? Before each home game, give every fan the hat of the opposing team.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Aug 9, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) I loved the frisbee in 2004. However, regarding Jose, this was right up there with my favorite game he ever threw for us: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/media/play...b_tp350&v=2 NASTY! I miss the vest jerseys. They were f***ing awesome.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) Sports Show with Norm Macdonald. Yes

I do want to know what got into those 3 though. They look confident all of a sudden.

You know what happened to Gordon, Rios, and Morel?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 9, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) Somewhere amongst the catch-all there's an ESPN post suggesting that Sergio's slider is the most dominant single pitch in MLB this year. It's the best strikeout pitch in the game this year, yes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 08:19 PM) I know what you're trying to say, and it's absolutely BS. No one on here acts like Getz is "the one that got away". People clamor for Daniel Hudson because he's damn good. I've seen a few posts lamenting the loss of Getz. Oh god, remember the Nix vs. Getz debates?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 03:58 PM) God I hate LeBron. Glorious bastard, you beat me to it. Also, I agee that the Kennedys havibg a divorce would have been resoundingly bad. They needed to project that image of a beautiful, together forever couple.

Ok, got the game today. So is thing going to materialize?

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) So I saw Hudson had a twitter, so I decided to tweet him that Sox fans wish he was still on the roster. He actually replied back: That is depressing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Getting the #1 picks two years in a row shouldn't ever be considered "successful" for a GM. I know you two fight, but you should have been able to get the sarcasm there. Unless you we're just reiterating his point and I feel stupid. Also, if we're going off GM success, then Kenny is...average. Like this team has been.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) Good start for Rios after 2 games 5 for 8 with power. Maybe Frank's visit had something to do with it. Hitting coach.

I love agreeing with J4L for once.

I blame Walker and Ozzie. Morel (and Beckham) both we're confident and had pop when they first came up. Now they looked scared. And Ozzie sits Morel everytime he has a good day.

Rios has power back? Hopefully he hits .600 the rest of the year and the Angels like him. Lilli has to play over Dunn against lefties here on out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Yeah, yeah, so I was in a bumping thread move. Tyler Flowers has 9 plate appearances since being called up. Castro was good for at least 1, if not 2 starts a week while healthy. AJ has had 2 starts off since Castro got hurt (other than the AS break). He had July 19th and July 31st off. AJ also played as a sub in both of those games. AJ Pierzynski has played in every game since Castro got hurt for the Sox. AJ since the AS break is hitting .206, .657 OPS. "I don' trust rookies. Dey don' know how to pay da focking game"

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) Or take back the Javy deal and stick Chris B. Young in CF. That would be a pretty potent line-up. Quinarv, where is Chris Sale in your line-up/roster rendition? Starting in Charlotte or Birmingham? Rotation depth? 2B is another obvious weakness with Getz. Keeping Uribe would have solved that infield issue (yeah, I know it wasn't realistic to pay him as a starter heading in 2009). But it was a big mistake not to keep him on the roster SOMEHOW. You really can't play Juan Pierre in CF, either. It would have to be Viciedo in RF, Sweeney in CF and Pierre in LF. Not with Juan's arm. Sale is in Charlotte getting his arm ready for when Peavy leaves. I miss Laundry Baby Pimp (my sister-in-laws phonetic mis-hearing of "Juan Uribe is a pimp"). Still, Sweeney is having a hell of a time in that OF since he's not a CF and now covering for Pierre and Dayan. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Chris Young really hasn't been that dominant of a bat and he's got a contract that is moderately expensive for his performance as of this year. Thank you. Chris Young kinda sucks. QUOTE (chisoxt @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) I would take Mike Rizzo over KW any day. In the limited he has been there, he has done a nice job with the Nats, though it was stupid of him not to have pedaled Dunn last year.Whether he 'screwed' Kenny last year at the trade deadline is anybody's guess, but in my view if he did renig on a deal that would have sent Jackson and another Sox prospect to Washington in return for three months of a slumping Adam Dunn, it probably saved Kenny from making one more of his stupid deadline deals. Rizzo's approach of scouting, drafting, and player development is the way to go in today's game, and until JR understands this, it will be a long time before this franchise contends on a consistent basis. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Jayson Werth's $126 million and .222 average/.707 OPS fully agree that blowing that kind of money on Adam Dunn is crazy. Until the White Sox understand that you can't blow that kind of money on players and you have to draft and develop like the Nationals do, they'll never succeed. Balta answered it. But seriously, Mike Rizzo may be the worst GM in all of baseball if Ed Wade didn't exist. Hands down. He handled Riggleman poorly, Werth, blew trading Dunn, and of course when you can draft Strasburg you "develop"players well. Other than Stras and Storen, I can't think of another player he developed. QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) That is one of the few lineups I could think of that would be worse than our current one. How is that worse? I'd take Viciendo Sweeney and Getz over Morel Dunn and Rios this season. Who is this mythical Viciendo? I'm a huge Dayan Viciedo fan, I have a Viciedo shirt. So yes, he beats Dunn. Sweeney beats Rios. Getz is barely better than Morel and that's not counting the D upgrade of Morel at 3rd and Beckham at second. Also, Getz is made of glass so Lilli or Eduardo Escobar would be at 2nd. But also, on paper, going into this year, without 20/20 hindsight, Rios and Dunn >>>>>>>>> Sweeney & Getz QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) um, Jim Thome Thank you.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Most times with a runner on 2nd and no one on out the manager just tells the hitter to get the runner to third. Lillibridge chose to bunt instead of trying to hit the ball to right. I'm sure Lilli wanted to bunt, even though he sucks at it, and Ozzie is the only manager in the world who would ask him to in that situation. And you know Walker preaches pulling the ball, so he probably wouldn't hit it to right

I almost thought Peavy would pull a Contreras there.

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) KW has made a few major mistakes in the last few seasons that have made us question him as our GM. IF you look at the other moves he has made, he's done pretty well. But the mistakes he has made have been big ones. Ones that combined could definitely be fireable offenses. 1) Swisher for Gio and Sweeney+ 2) Peavy for Richard 3) Claiming Rios off Waivers 4) Teahen for Getz 5) Jackson for Hudson+ 6) Signing Dunn Luckily KW has rid himself of mistakes 4 and 5 salary wise. But if you look at Peavy, Rios, and Dunn you've got over $40 million in salary that could have been replaced with the young cheap players traded for swisher and jackson and with a different free agent instead of dunn. We would have had an extra $27 million in the offseason without Peavy and Rios. Who knows what would have happened, but here's a could have been 2011 White Sox Roster. c - AJP/Flowers/Castro 1b - Konerko/Berkman 2b - Beckham/Getz 3b - Beltre/Morel SS - Alexi/Vizquel OF - Quentin/Sweeney/Berkman/Pierre/De Aza DH - Viciendo/Berkman SP - Buehrle SP - Danks SP - Floyd SP - Hudson SP - Gio SP - Humber RP - Frasor RP - Santos RP - Thornton RP - Sale RP - Ohman RP - Crain I added Beltre and Berkman as free agents, who could have both been had. That team is about $25 cheaper than the current one and a lot better. 6 major mistakes and we've got our current team... We don't have Frasor if we have Hudson. We have an OF of Q-Pierre-Sweeney. No Morel or Beltre if we have Getz, Gordon would have been at 3rd. Isn't here either. Berkman would not have come here. He didn't want to come here. Humber isn't here if we have Gio and Hudson. If he is, he's a relief, but we got him as Peavy insurance, so we wouldn't have gotten him. Richard for Peavy gets done every single time at the time. We wouldn't be All In so Sale isn't a RP. So really, the team is SP - Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Hudson, Gio. This is the obvious best part of the team. That's just sick. RP - Santos, Crain, Thornton, Ohman, Pena, Lindsay, Infante. That pen is OK. Not like the current one. C - AJ/Castro 1B - Konerko/Fields 2B - Getz/Lillibridge SS - Alexei/Lillibridge 3B - Beckham/Lillibridge LF - Viciedo/De Aza CF - Pierre/De Aza RF - Sweeney/De Aza DH - Quentin/Fields That is one of the few lineups I could think of that would be worse than our current one.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) The Hunter deal wasn't a bad contract until this year, especially for a CFer. If you think about it, if we had Hunter for that whole time, we never would have had to pick up Rios. Hunter gave them 3 solid years at least. Granted, next year for Torii doesn't look like a good deal at all. Rios has given us one out of 2 1/2 seasons with the Sox, and we still owe him for at least 3 more. That's the nature of long-term deals for players in their 30's, it almost always comes back to bite you in the end. (Yet another reason why Pujols will get less dollars and years than Prince Fielder but it will still be "one year too many"). Just imagine if we'd been stuck with the Fukudome or Rowand contracts. The only plus is they all would have prevented the Rios deal from being triggered. And who's to say the Dunn deal won't end up being worse than Vernon Wells at THIS POINT? Not to mention that "winning" players like Uribe were unceremoniously shown the door. I have to say, even though we're disagreeing, I'm enjoying this debate. Though as far as Uribe goes he wasn't cutting it much more and Alexei was the replacement, so I'd say that was pretty good for us. And I can't think of an '05 who was shown the door when their time was up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) Sabean still just won the World Series last year, so hard to argue with that result. Cashman's the Phil Jackson syndrome. Could he ever win with a small-market franchise or do a total rebuild? We'll probably never know. It would be interesting to find out. I'm sure that both he and Epstein have moments that they hear the whispers they could never have success in Pittsburgh, KC, Florida, Seattle, Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincy, Houston, etc. And Angels have still developed/drafted a lot more players than the White Sox over the past decade. Trout alone gives him the edge over KW, not to mention Weaver/Santana, the Saunders for Haren deal, Kendrick, Bourjos, Morales, etc. Sure, a lot of busts, too. But Reagins has the overall advantage. Plus that franchise has a LOT more playoff appearances in the last 10-12 years. And KW won in 2005. Over there careers, I'd say Kenny wins (him and Sabean). Especially because Zito is worse than Dunn, Rowand is worse than Rios (deal wise and over the course of the deals), and the AJ trade is WAY worse than the Swisher deal. Cashman wouldn't succeed with a small market. Or even a Chicago market. The Rafael Soriano deal? Can you imagine how pissed this forum would be with that? A-Rod? Jeter? Burnett? Martin? Colon and Freddy at 4 & 5, Boone Logan as the sole lefty? This board would be FURIOUS with any of those, except MAYBE A-Rod. I could see Theo working somewhere else, because he builds a really strong system. If we're giving Sabean a pass for the World Series, than Reagins isn't beating KW for not having one, despite having many good teams. But Hunter, Wells, Matthews, would earn Reagins a sig with a red X across his face here. My point is, even though those guys have all been successful, they have big faults. That's why I put them on even footing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) Shapiro's no longer the GM in Cleveland, he got bumped up. Flowers, it seems in hindsight, was largely a product of PED's in terms of his Braves' minor league numbers and AFL stats. Needed to do a bit more due diligence on that one, but obviously hundreds of players have gotten caught up in that. I would take Cashman, Sabean, Reagins, Jocketty and Alderson (based on past performance) over KW as well. Maybe he's a BIT higher, maybe 18-20, but you'd have a lot of argument/s around baseball. I suppose the question would be...were KW on the open market, how many of those teams would bring KW in and let go of their current guy? Alex A. needs to prove that the Blue Jays can come close to contending again in that division before you can annoint him as the best. Daniels would obviously be the "hip" pick as the best GM for his performance the last 2-3 years, but he and KW started out similarly on the learning curve. Whoever took Shapiro's spot then gets it. Antonetti I think? I wouldn't take Cashman over KW. His entire GM-ship is $$$. Sabean's AJ, Zito, and Rowand deals were awful. He was real lucky last year with waivers. Before last year, he's probably a Bottom 5 GM. Reagins dishes out more money to OF than KW. Jocketty is OK. Last year was real good, but the Reds kind of remind me of the Sox this year. I'll give you Alderson. And as for Alex A., he became #1 the day he got Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera for Vernon Wells. Who has more money than Rios and has been awful this year (not THAT far off from Rios).