Quin

See poll. Viciedo & Sale counted twice for differing roles.

Also, you know what? The Mark Teahen trade was not terrible. We traded a piece of crap third baseman who is worse defensively than Teahen, gives no hustle, and can't hit a fastball along with a second baseman with the power of Juan Pierre, no average, average at best defense, and has more magical injuries than anyone in the world. Also, over a full season Teahen had never been this bad defensively. What was bad was the extension, thats it.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:52 PM) So basically everyone here is saying that Ozzie is the reason Mark Teahen is the world's dullest player and should never be a starter for a contending team. It's Ozzie's fault that Kenny traded a good young pitcher who had some success here for an injury-riddled, expensive pitcher who was below average and then surprisingly suffered another serious injury. It's Ozzie's fault that Carlos Quentin's 2008 season was a mere abberation. It's Ozzie's fault that Bobby Jenks is a fat piece of s*** and wasn't available when we needed him the most. It's Ozzie's fault that he had a AAA 2nd lefty out of the bullpen who he couldn't use unless he was up or below 6 runs, thus forcing him to drastically overuse Thornton early in the season. It's Ozzie's fault that Scott Linebrink is a waste of flesh who pitches like Randy Williams, except makes closers money/ It's Ozzie's fault that his supposed best player (Beckham) was a mental midget for the first 3 months. Ozzie is far from the best manager in the world, but anyone who thinks this season is his fault is out of their mind. People forget Jim Thome hit .245 and .249 for us his last 2 years. Don't people remember him striking out in huge situations on most occasions at the tail end of his stay here. The guy was great for awhile but he was taking up space at the end. Kenny was a fool to listen to Ozzie about Kotsay, Ozzie isn't a personnel director. Kenny is his boss, he should have known better. Ozzie was rid of Teahen soon enouugh. Peavy was not injury riddled before he came here. He's had two freak injuries. Also, the Clayton Richard overvaluing needs to stop. He was a 5th starter at best here. Quentin's blame is solely on him. Ozzie had two other closers in the pen available. Not Ozzie's fault for Williams. Scott Linebrink has not lost the Sox an unworldly amount of games this year. He's been fine, just massively overpaid. Ozzie didn't do Gordon any favors by having him bunt into outs to start the year, but thats on Gordon. Ozzie is responsible 99% for the rotating DH bulls***. Thome had low averages but an OBP of .362 and .372 in those years. I'd be fine with both of them back next year, but I prefer Kenny all the way to Ozzie and that's because Ozzie is the one who insisted on playing NL style slappy run baseball and run into out after out after out after out.

Good job Omar.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) It's comical how Hudson is now one of the most untouchable young pitchers in baseball. Even Brewers fans are frustrated they didn't trade for him. Yet seemingly every team viewed him as a #3 at best.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 07:39 PM) Fans are going to boo the Sox like crazy if Beckham cannot drive runs in. Ozzie, please give Morel or Viciedo a chance at third. Omar needs to develop.

OMAR POWA

You know what? F*** the Twins. 18 game win streak starts tonight.

Ozzie gone before Kenny, everyday of the week If Kenny were fired, the message sent to the new GM, I'm assuming Rick Hahn, would be that Ozzie has control over the roster and we'd be stuck with slappy NL style baseball players.

Paulie lost the award last night, even though he deserves it.

Putz and maybe Jones. Putz may be a Type B FA, not sure. Jones won't be, but his defense makes him worth a bench spot. PK is going to get a multi year deal and AJ won't be back at his current salary.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 02:20 AM) Please god tell me this was sarcasm? Not at all. Jim Thome sucks and never contributed to Sox in anyway other than hit, get on base, and drive in runs. Where's his WS ring? Give me Carl Everett instead. Or someone who can play defense.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:16 AM) Not really. It's probably not fair. But when you're already 4 games out (at the time of his first start) with less than a month to go you need the guy you're acquiring to step up and produce like right away. Manny looks washed up right now. If we lose these next two games, this will be the biggest waste of 4 million bucks in White Sox history. No, those would the salary we paid Thome. He never won anything here.

Time for Manny's first White Sox HR.

Juan! Ok, Kong Dong time.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 12:36 AM) And that's not even adding the fact that Kotsay has been -.7 WAR. Thome instead of Kotsay is roughly equal to 4 wins to us. And the division lead.

*raises hand as person that has always wanted Paulie resigned*

Number wise: Thome has been worth 3.3 WAR this year. Subtract 3 wins from Twins and they're 82-61. Add 3 to us and we're 82-61. Round up to 4 wins and they're 81-62 and we're 83-60.

Resign him already.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 11, 2010 -> 05:39 PM) I still can't believe it's getting to you. Makes me proud of NSS though for not caring anymore. (And BTW, show me those post besides me and another poster who had W-S as our best affiliate this season when most were picking the Knights, I'm still waiting) The Knights have produced 5 major leaguers this year. WS has produced one. How has WS been better than the Knights? I want explanation.

Kotsay has played 45 games at DH, 32 at 1B. He's played a majority at DH. He plays one position well, that of our best player. He brings no flexibility. He is good defensively, not great by any stretch of the imagination. With the way this season has gone, on days Paulie needed a rest, Teahen or Dayan could have taken over at first while we had a useless hitter at DH.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 01:24 AM) Considering Thome has been a successful hitter every single year since 1993 (except for when he was hurt in 2005) it was a safe bet Thome would be successful this year. And considering Crede clearly was having back problems it was very likely he wouldn't produce last year. We have other holes in our lineup but the biggest one is at DH where the only requirement for the position is being a good hitter. Instead we go with a below league average hitter, with no wheels, who can only play first base so he doesn't even give us flexibility or any production at the plate. Unbelievably dumb decision and plenty of people were saying that before the season began. And frankly it is hilarious that anyone would want to run out of town a guy who was arguably the Sox most productive hitter last year. My dad's response to all this was "What did they win with Jim Thome?" I struck back with: "What did they win with Nellie Fox? Luis Aparicio? (his two all time favorites and childhood heroes)" "An American League Pennant" "What about Fisk, Baines, or a full season of Frank?" "..."

I'll sum up what everyone who posts in this threads thoughts will be; "f*** flexible DH's and Ozzie Ball"

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2010 -> 11:59 PM) He stunk. And imagine what's gonna happen to Freddy on Sunday. Harrell*