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QUOTE (docsox24 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 02:25 PM) I disagree. I think Mark is the guy we know what we will get the most. Are you basing this on a few bad starts in half a season? I think Peavy is the biggest wildcard. He gets hurt a lot and as we all know he is making a huge move in parks. Now I think he will be very good but it certainly isnt a known commodity to me. The other two are still too young to say they are more of a sure thing than Mark. Last year was the first year where Peavy really got hurt a lot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) Probably a lot of reasons. First, he'd always be in someone else's shadow. He'd also be changing numbers. The big one though is the contracts. While he could probably play PF, having Deng alongside him is really a poor setup. Which means we'd need to find a way to move Deng. Which is already difficult enough, and which would be more difficult if we suddenly HAD to move him. Why would he necessarily want to go through that when so many other teams can offer him the spot wide open already. He's changing numbers anyway. If it were about championships solely, he'd pick the Bulls, and would probably play PF. The reason is, if you put the Bulls and Cavs rosters side by side minus LeBron, the Bulls are waaay better.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) Why is Konerko called "Kong"? FORCED nicknames always sound silly... like somebody is trying too hard. Bacon is an example of a good nickname because it's funny how it came about (Ozzie's broken english)... Like T-Flow? Anyway, I'm dividing up a bunch of these right now, and I'll put some under players, and some under the Pending Approval list.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 12:17 PM) Can we stop calling Beckham "Bacon" yet? Slayer is a thousand times better. It's his old college nickname. Anyway, I'll update these in a little bit, since I have to go places soon.

QUOTE (jz54 @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 12:15 PM) Mark Prior and Kerry Wood blew their arms out because they had bad mechanics. Verlander does not have bad mechanics. His workload is definitely a concern, but if he stays healthy, I very much doubt he will have a year like 2008. Everything would have to go wrong for him again: bad arm slot that caused him to lose velocity and command, a pitching coach who told him to pitch like a finesse pitcher, a bad bullpen that let an unusually high number of inherited runners to score, etc. Welcome aboard! As ye be a Tiger fan, this'd be your colors. Anyway, yes, Prior and Wood blew out their arms, but neither had near the workload he had last year. He pitched a Buehrlesque amount of innings last year, but he's a different type of pitcher. Buehrle is built to be a workhorse, since he doesn't throw hard at all. Verlander tops 100 more than anyone else, and he pitched a lot of innings. I should rephrase what I said earlier, he won't pitch as badly as he did in 2008, but he won't pitch as well as he did last year. I'd peg him for something like 3.75 ERA, 16 wins. I wouldn't be shocked if he did better though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 08:16 AM) One way the move might help the White Sox is mentally. The past several seasons, they lost series there before they ever started. I do agree with the post above, it seems the Twins are stacking themselves with LH power hitters, perhaps a sign of how they feel the park will play. Ironically, its one thing the Sox definitely lack. I would love for some anomaly to happen that makes it difficult to hit HR's to right in that park.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 01:41 AM) Theres your first mistake.... I'm torn as whether to include Berman nicknames, because they're from Berman, and because that list is the most ungodly long list ever made ever.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 09:04 AM) One thing I'm fairly certain of is Verlander will win about 5 or 6 games against us since we have no one in our lineup that can do much against him. Except, as far as I remember, outside one or two games the White Sox have had Verlanders number.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 15, 2010 -> 01:45 AM) All-Star game was alot more competitive than in recent years, though there wasn't as many "spectacular" plays/dunks as well. Nice to see Derrick have a strong game, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one drooling seeing him assist Bosh and Wade.. :wub: When Bosh had a slick behind the back pass to Rose I was like "See how well you play with Derrick!" http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_100215.html Apparently, Lee is kinda open to Chicago (I think he wanted to sign here last year). Depending on what the Bulls do the next 3 days, if we have enough money, signing Lee and a Joe Johnson/Rudy Gay or something wouldn't be a bad offseason nab.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 06:17 PM) I've been trying to get T-Paine for Tony Pena to catch on. It hasn't really taken off quite yet. Added a new section for it, and my idea, Albatrios. Also, I want to put down "Laundry Baby Pimp" for Juan Uribe, because that's what my sister-in-law heard when my brother said "Juan Uribe is a Pimp!" Edit: Juan Dog came from the new numbers thread. It's better than Lance Johnson's idea of "Little One Dog"

Seeing the countless publications talking about The Big Hurt made me think of all the Sox nicknames, so I figured why not make a list of the great Sox nicknames. Feel free to add any, or one's I missed. Current Roster Freddy Garcia - Freddy "Big Game" Garcia, Sweaty Freddy, El Sudor Grande Jake Peavy - JFP (Jake Freakin' Peavy), Jaker Carlos Quentin - TCQ (The Carlos Quentin) Gordon Beckham - Slayer, Bacon, Bacon Slayer, Becks Alexei Ramirez - The Cuban Missile Bobby Jenks - Big Bad Bobby Jenks Paul Konerko - Paulie Juan Pierre - Juan Dog A.J. Pierzynski - The Polish Prince, Dennis the Menace, Captain Chaos Mark Buehrle - Burls John Danks - D1, Popeye Minor Leagues Tyler Flowers - T-Flow Jordan Danks - D2 Orber Moreno - TOM (The Orber Moreno) Former Sox Frank Thomas - The Big Hurt Lance Johnson - One Dog Jack McDowell - Black Jack Carlos Lee - El Caballo Javier Vazquez - The Silent Assassin Herbert Perry - The Milkman Magglio Ordonez - Maggs Richard Dotson - Big Dick Carlton Fisk - Pudge Ray Durham - Ray Ray, Sugar Man Juan Uribe - El Profundo Joe Crede - Rally Crede, Joe Clutch, Clutch Norris Scott Podsednik - Scotty Pods,The Mayor Tadahito Iguchi - Gooch Jermaine Dye - JD Aaron Rowand - Crash Jim Thome - Big Jim, Country Strong, Mr. Incredible Ken Griffey Jr. - The Kid, Junior Bartolo Colon - Fatolo Walter Williams - No Neck Ed Stroud - The Creeper Bill Skowron - Moose Luke Appling - Old Aches and Pains Dave Nicholson - Big Nick Ted Kluszewski - Big Klu Ralph Garr - Road Runner Rich Gossage - Goose Joe Jackson - Shoeless Joe Floyd Bannister - Million Dollar Nicknames Waiting Approval Tony Pena - T-Paine Alex Rios - The Albatrios

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) Verlander has got to be one of the more overrated players in the AL, imo. No kidding.I think he's gonna have a year similar to his 2008 one, considering he's a power pitcher who pitched 240 innings last year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) If they didn't retire it for Ventura, it shouldn't be held on to for Dye. Retiring #23 for Ventura is something I'd be perfectly fine with.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) What happens if you take out the game where Morel and D2: the Mighty Danks ripped him up? He becomes a legitimate prospect. Until then, I need a full season of good numbers.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 01:43 PM) Viciedo has far to go before he can be considered a legitimate prospect. He did improve somewhat in the second half last year so I am not writing him off, but at the same time would recommend caution in evaluating him. You mean legitimate MLB-Ready Prospect? Having the ability to be a big bat in the MLB is what makes him a prospect. The Cubs wonder boy Starlin Castro didn't exactly light up AA. Strasburg had a 4.26 ERA in the AFL.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) Yes, I want him in Minnesota, because I don't want baseball to be the type of sport where a team like Minny can't keep a guy like him. This. Though I really hate seeing him play us.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 12:55 PM) Unless Porcello develops to strike more hitters out, he's most likely not going to have the same kind of year he had last season. Scherzer's a nice pitcher, but you won't see him be much better than his 4.12 ERA from last year. Counting on Hochevar to be good is also not a good bet. Exactly. Peavy, Greinke, and Verlander could all put up the same seasons. All 3 have had good and bad seasons, so who knows. After that, Buehrle is better than Meche and Porcello, and it's no contest when it comes to Danks/Floyd vs. Scherzer and Hochevar.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 02:26 AM) But Frank played most of his career here. Jermaine's been here for 4 years, he spent more years with KC, Atlanta, and Oakland combined than here. And no one wore #35 since or ever will (as long as their not a future HOFer honoring their idol Frank Thomas), but #23, well, that wasn't gone long.

Was asked "Which Contender (in the Central) has the best rotation" Scout: "The Royals go Greinke, Meche, Hochevar-he could have a breakout year-but it's the Tigers definitely. With Scherzer sliding into the rotation with Verlander and Porcello, that's only going to make them stronger. They're going to have a really tough rotation. If their bullpen can step up and their offense can do what they need to do..." Silly scout. Peavy-Buehrle-Danks-Floyd easily trump those trios. Anyway, tidbits from the SN article on the AL Central #1 Priority: Polishing the revamped defense. Ozzie: "Quentin is going to his natural position. He will do a better job. Beckham, this kid, he's a hell of a ball player, and that helps. Rigt now, he's playing the middle of the infield. It's easier and will help him to stay fresh playing second." Roster Rundown: Juan Pierre has crappy on-base percentage, but is the speedy Ozzie style leadoff, and better than Dye defensively. Daniel Hudson, depending on his spring training, could be in the rotation, bullpen, or AAA. Josh Fields is gone. The roster spot "showdown" is backup catcher, Ramon Castro vs. the much more offensive threat in Tyler Flowers. It depends on if Flowers can handle the pitching staff.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 11:49 AM) Lawl, Orlando Hudson made the Twins worse? Orber Morerno gave us a boost.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 11:56 AM) I'm not sure I buy into the farm system being the worst in baseball, but it is certainly in the lower third compared to the talent in other team's systems. I don't see it becoming more than middle of the pack unless Kenny removes his finger from the trade trigger anytime soon, or they increase draft spending (which desperately needs a boost). When Flowers and Hudson graduate (or are traded) will two more highly touted prospects have emerged to replace the talent that has departed the system? Also, if by top of the farm you mean Hudson and Flowers, I would agree. I think Morel is going to solidify himself into a solid "B" prospect this year. The glove is real nice, and the bat is coming along. As far as Viciedo/Danks, they still have plenty to prove despite the upside they both possess. Teams aren't banging down the door to acquire those guys at the moment. My top 5 are Hudson-Flowers-Mitchell-Viciedo-Danks. Hudson and Flowers are MLB ready, Mitchell isn't but has ungodly upside, same for Viciedo, and D2 could be a serviceable OF soon enough.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Feb 13, 2010 -> 10:37 PM) The Dunk Contest was really lame but everything else was a whole lot of fun tonight. This is one of the my favorite sports nights of the year. Just plain fun. I watched everything else and fell asleep during the dunk contest. I laughed when Steve Nash went for the block in the skills competition. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 07:53 AM) I just want one thing out of this All Star weekend, I want Derrick Rose to be a salesman with the best salespitch possible. Yes. Also, the Cavs are reportedly close to getting Stoudemire. For some reason, I don't see that working with LeBron there.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Feb 14, 2010 -> 10:38 AM) Give up six players? Holy Cow! Earlier when I said that, I said maybe 4 or 5 of them plus throw ins. The fact is, the top of farm system is good, and could possibly match any offer out there depending on what we give up.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 13, 2010 -> 06:46 PM) Caron Butler/Brendan Heywood/Deshawn Stephenson to Mavs, Josh Howard/Drew Gooden/Quinton Ross/James Singleton to Wizards So now this raises the question as to where Jamison will end up.

QUOTE (Cowch @ Feb 13, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) I guess we separate he optimists from the pessimists on that one. When I read that he would be better than Peavy, I thought "Cy Young." hahaha. I was being both. I read it as Daniel Hudson being Rookie of the Year and All-Star or Peavy sucking.