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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2009 -> 09:26 AM) SI I'd have to debate acquiring McGrady. You get huge cap space next year, but I want to look as good as possible this year for FA's.

I can live with this deal, because of Quentins MVP-esque 2008, Carter still in the minors, and the fact that Viciedo could still fill the need if need be, and he's younger and K's far less.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 27, 2009 -> 02:48 PM) Wow, just read this. This is the dumbest thing Phil Rogers has ever written, and that is pretty amazing in itself. LOL at the Colorado Rockies, the Braves at 11, Sox at 12, Red Sox at 6, etc. My latest statistical analysis tells me Phil Rogers should have been fired last year. After much thought going into it, I believe that the Padres will have the best rotation Sort of shocked Rogers didn't write about how bad an idea Poreda & Richard for Peavy was.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 26, 2009 -> 01:45 AM) Speaking of always having a point... What contradictions? I seriously don't believe I've contradicted myself. But, yes, I had a nice Christmas, hope you did too. Just getting some late-night prep for Sox Weekly tomorrow (well, technically today). Good night, friends. Dang it, WS Weekly is always on when I'm not able to hear it (in California right now) Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Dec 25, 2009 -> 11:33 PM) You sound surprised. It's Christmas, Bulls are currently not a playoff team, and they have a coach.

Vinny still has a job..wow.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 23, 2009 -> 04:52 PM) Tough = it's against the rules for him to sign with us now. Didn't know that...so wouldn't we can't sign Dye as well I'm assuming?

Dotel is getting a 3 million offer from the Pirates...I now kinda feel we could have matched that and had four good arms in the pen (Dotel, Thornton, Putz, Bobby)

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 09:48 AM) NSS made that same case in another thread. Adding to that, the guys that are still here are a mix of ones that you could reasonable expect to improve, (Floyd, Danks, Ramirez, Rios), hope to hold their own another season (Mark, Quentin, AJ), may decline (Kong) and who the hell knows about Jenks. Really, the only downgrade is Carrasco to Torres, and that spot shouldn't be needed a lot with this staff.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 08:17 AM) That is why the 2005 World Championship season was so special! But would sweeping the Cubs in a World Series top it? This is the question that has haunted me since day 1 after Game 4.

Here's how I rank my top 3 Rotations in the MLB, the White Sox, Red Sox, and Yankees. Peavy = Sabathia = Beckett: Dead even, they all are good pitchers. Lester > Buehrle >>> Burnett: Lester is better than Buehrle, but every now and then Buehrle likes to over achieve for his stuff and start dominating. Thats why I have Lester as better, but Buehrle can be better. Burnett isn't close to either. Floyd > Lackey >>> Pettitte: Floyd has more upside than Lackey, who was overpaid, and had a phenomenal stretch last year. Don't know how much Pettitte has left in the tank. Danks >> Vazquez > Daisuke: Javy's good, but Danks is better (and it's been beaten to death, but he can step it up at times). I think Daisuke may be closer to last year than this year... Garcia/Hudson = Wakefield/Bucholz >>> Joba/Hughes. Freddy is better than Wakefield, and Bucholz, while very good, I think isn't a world better than Hudson. Both 5's & 6's are better than Yankees.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 12:01 AM) 2000s - Three playoff appearances and 1 World Series title. 857 Wins 764 Losses .529 % '90s - One (Two) playoff appearance(s). 845 Wins 775 Losses .528 % '80s - One playoff appearance. 786 Wins 834 Losses .485 % '70s - No playoff appearances. 752 Wins 868 Losses .464 % '60s - No playoff appearances. 852 Wins 760 Losses .529 % '50s - One playoff appearance. 847 Wins 693 Losses .550 % '40s - No playoff appearances. 707 Wins 833 Losses .459 % '30s - No playoff appearances. 678 Wins 841 Losses .446 % '20s - No playoff appearances. 731 Wins 804 Losses .476 % '10s - Two playoff appearances, and 1 World Series title. 798 Wins 692 Losses .536 % 1900s - One playoff appearance, 2 AL Championships, and 1 World Series title. 744 Wins 575 Losses .564 % . . . Most wins of any decade, tied for 4th in Winning %, Most postseason appearances of any decade. I guess you could say that we're spoiled as the history of Sox fandom goes. ...this is just the sad reminder that we've sucked throughout history.

He called Thome too expensive...

Man, 2000 was the first season I really remember, and what I remember most? Not Frank being a monster, Oh-wee-oh Magglio, or Ray Durham being extra awesome. What I remember most is Jose's 'stache.

I don't understand the Nick Johnson love. He seems like a good guy for the Yankees, where he isn't supposed the be the big bat, and if he gets injured, they can probably deal with it. With the Sox, I just couldn't see it being a "this gets us deep in the playoffs" signing unless Quentin, Alexei, Rios, Beckham, and even Paulie just mash.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) It's been the Joe Johnson and Derrick Rose show today. We're getting extra showtimes. Also, if we don't land Wade, I'd love to get Johnson. Edit: Kirk and now Salmons have had clutch 3's. What.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) Dammit, I hoping somehow Ely slipped out of the trade. Its nice to have an illinois and a Miami University guy in the org. I wanted to see him make it to the Sox just because he was a Sox fan, and it was probably his dream to make it the the bigs with the Sox. However, doesn't make me shed tears that he's gone.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) Chris Young is hot garbage. But it's not like his contract is that detrimental. And his contract is up after '10 anyway. That package just isn't anywhere near enough. If you're trading a player of Gonzales' caliber, you're looking for instant impact talent. Floyd (the new Floyd) would obviously flourish in the NL and in that park. Flowers would give them a near major league ready prospect. But his value lies in if he can stick at catcher. And that's still up in the air. Mitchell is at least 2 years away, maybe longer. Yes, you definitely value Morel too high. Sure, in our paper thin system he's a top 10 prospect. Not saying much. Retherford and Nix would just be throw-ins. If that's the kinda package it took AGON would've been traded weeks ago. Yea, Viciedo and D2 would have to be thrown in there for the Padres to look at it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:02 PM) Ben Sheets would be a nice 5th starter. If we deal Hudson, I'd love to get Sheets if he were cheap.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 11:36 AM) Hmm, I missed that game. What an idiot. Yea, I'm always hit or miss with LZ Granderson, and could see where he was going until he dropped the Ben Gordon an All-Star line. Then I stopped reading. Edit: So if the Bulls flounder this season and get a lottery pick (Aldrich?) lets assume Salmons opts out because in this hypothetical, he gets his stuff together, team just sucks it up. Would someone like Wade find a roster of Rose-Deng-Noah-Gibson-Johnson-Hinrich-Aldrich appealing? If Salmons stayed, would the Bulls have to pair Deng or Salmons with the pick in a trade to dump salary?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...tory?id=4751701 Apparently, BG was an All-Star.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:18 AM) Well if it's 1-2 punches, I could see how the Sox would be left off. Let's face it. As much as we all adore Buehrle, he's not, nor has he ever been, elite. He's just very good. I'd take all those guys listed (aside from probably Hamels/Burnett) over Mark without hesitation. And Danks and Floyd aren't better than Burnett and Hamels, even with Hamels having an off year. Now if ESPN was doing top rotations overall and the White Sox were left off, then you would have a legitimate beef. And yes, the 2008 draft should go down as the best of the decade. And you didn't even mention Tim Beckham, Brian Matusz and, the guy who I believe will be the best player from this draft, Pedro Alvarez. Eh, I've never seen Burnett as a top tier starter, and definitely think of Buehrle as better than him.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:59 AM) There's a couple who have said it on this board, and some analyst out there and I'll just echo their statements. We will NEVER get the kind of return that we should for Mark Buehrle. And if Mark Buehrle is ever traded (or left in whatever way)... I'd probably be alot more pissed (or pretty much ever) then when Frank left us. Also throw in that Buehrle negotiated his deal to essentially make him untradeable, since if he's traded he get's $19 million.

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 12:52 AM) come on, it's kenny. we will add another big name bat somehow. and for all the anti-ozzie talk, he should be our manager as long as he wants. i'm not sure anyone we can ever bring in will be that much better and i for one love having his as my manager. let's also not forget that he is a young manager that should be learning and getting better every year. I pretty much agree with this post. Also, whichever admin changed the title of the thread is my new hero.

Man, ESPN hates the Sox. During the coverage they listed the 1-2 Punches in starting rotations for MLB staffs. Mariners: Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee Red Sox: Josh Beckett, Jon Lester Yankees: CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett Giants: Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain Cardinals: Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright Phillies: Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels How is Peavy, Buehrle/Danks/Floyd not on there? It's better than the Yankees (Burnett not bing that great), Phillies (unless Hamels returns to form), the Red Sox (I'd take Peavy over Beckett, and Danks/Floyd at times are just as good as Lester). /southsidebias Also, the Phillies made out like bandits in this trade...just wow. And Wallace on the move again keeps reminding me of how loaded the top of the 2008 draft was: Slayer, Posey, Wallace, Alonso, Smoak...