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No way it's on Kenny. Turned Anderson into Pods. Wise into Rios. Richard into Peavy. Colon into Freddy. Fields into Kotsay. Gobble into Pena. Betemit into Beckham. Miller into Castro. Lillibridge into Nix. Kenny filled a lot of holes, it's just players aren't nearly living up to their potential. We had five .300 hitters (Pods, Beckham, JD, Paulie, AJ) and now only have one. And only two guys batting better than .280. We had the best bullpen in baseball the beginning of the year. The only players that have gotten better over the year is the rotation, but apparently Buehrle peaks with perfection and goes to hell after that. It's the players fault, because this team should be far from medicore, but they just don't live up to the talent. Only Getz and Beckham are allowed to be less than they can be, because they are rookies starting their first year at the major league level.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 10:12 PM) we have absolutely ZERO room to complain. Have you SEEN the Mets this year? 88 million on the DL The Mets have easily had the most tragic season, but I'm just saying. Our luck was going crappy, so it just decided to go all out.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/8/29/1007...rse-yeah-and-it Peavy's elbow tightened up. Mitchell has a leg injury and has missed 3 of the last 4 Kannapolis games. What did we do to anger the baseball gods?

For what it's worth, I never though Brandon Allen had much of a future with the Sox. I though he was a pretty trading piece. It's just we got a bad return on him.

Of course there was Don't Stop Believin' in '05, so whats this years? I'm going with Hotel California as we can't get out of hell, no matter how hard we try.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 06:38 PM) We need to retire his number, honestly. If what Joe Crede has done has deserved a number retire, then so do these guys. JD, Ventura, Black Jack, Pods, AJ, etc. I think on the current team, only Paulie and Buehrle (and Ozzie as manager) should have their numbers retired. Paulie is our captain, and one of the top 3 (Baines, Thomas) hitters in Sox history. Buehrle is porbably the best or second (Pierce) best Sox pitcher in history Ozzie got us a world series. Crede was a nice piece for a few years.

QUOTE (DonkeyKongerko @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 04:57 PM) Ozzie's response Uh oh. Is it time to break out the "Finally Ozzie Threw Them Under the Bus and is About to Get This Party Started" signs?

Looks like Crede is considering calling it quits due ot his back issues. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/joe-...retirement.html At least he won't have any great moments with the Twins.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 03:19 AM) YEAH! If they tank the rest of the season, they might get Bryce Harper! So we can ship off Flowers for something good?

I root till math says no more. We got 6 games left against Detroit. If Ozzie would just go off like he used to, throw something under the bus, just something, is the spark it needs. He needs to be controversial ("I retire if we win this year") for them to get their mojo. Buehrle might finally come out of his slump, Floyd is dealing, Danks is a warrior, Peavy is a Cy Young (not a fat one too!) and Freddy still looks like he could be Big Game. That being said, the time to get good is now.

The Mariner's Josh Fields? Or ours...?

Was gonna put this in the important AJP and KW thread, but seemed more appropriate here... I see Dotel returning, for the sole fact that Tony Pena isn't Dotel Lite. Dotel has improved this year (maybe everyone should have hugged Obama?) and has given up less (7) home runs than last year. After Thornton and healthy Bobby, Dotel is the most reliable guy we got. Unless JD goes on a tear this final month, he's the odd man out, but if he does, he'll stay and Thome will go. If Alexei is traded, it's gonna be a blockbuster deal. Like, Alexei-Flowers/Viciedo-Hudson/Torres-Retherford/Nix for Dan Haren or another #1 or #2 type pitcher. If that happened, I'd see Beckham moving back to short and a FA 3B like Crede (Ex-White Sock, '05 Member) or Figgins (Kenny Williams kind of guy). If Nix is shipped out, expect another super-sub (Uribe, the Original Nix) to be brought in. If Figgins is brought on, Pods is likely gone, and this leaves a spot in the OF. Even if Thome is retained and Pods out the door, no way JD is still in the OF, so this could be anything from a big FA splash (Holliday?) or a trade (somehow prying Crawford from the Rays) or re-signing Kotsay to play in the OF full time. Fifth Starter could be any of these guys: Hudson, Garland (Only because he and Buehrle are still pals, and Buehrle is the one that got Pods a job this year), Freddy (he could be a serviceable #5), Haren (see above trade), Halladay (see above trade), Harden (FA), Bedard (FA), or Washburn (FA). Here's all the different ways 2010 could look... Rotation: Buehrle Peavy Danks Floyd Hudson/Garland/Garcia/Haren/Halladay/Harden/Bedard/Washburn Lineup C - AJ 1B - Konerko 2B - Getz SS - Ramirez/Beckham (if Ramirez is moved) 3B - Beckham/Figgins(Ramirez traded)/Crede (if Ramirez is traded and Pods retained or Figgins in LF) LF - Podsednik/Holliday/Figgins/Crawford/Kotsay (if none of the previous 4 can be had) CF - Rios RF - Quentin DH - Dye/Thome/Podsednik (if Holliday could be signed and Thome and Dye are both gone) Bench Kotsay Nix/Uribe Castro/Flowers (long shot) Hopefully Not Wise/Fields (Ozuna or Harris?) Bullpen: Pena Williams Nunez Dotel Linebrink Carrasco Thornton Jenks

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 01:27 AM) Agreed. See: Colorado Rockies. Something needs to be done. Nobody seems to be accountable. And reading Paulie's comment about this not being football and intensity doesn't factor into baseball didn't sit real well with me either. I think that quote was a bit odd. I think he meant that you can't just ride intensity in baseball, as it's a very finesse and skills based game, and you can't just give all your intensity once a week, as unlike football, you have possibly six more games.

I wouldn't want Penny, mainly because he's not all that great anymore. Quite frankly, Hudson or Torres could give us a better start, or maybe Peavy will be better, we'll see tomorrow after a condensed BP session. Taking a ball off your elbow is painful as hell, I could barely move my arm last year when that happened. But if you manage it right, it should be better in one or two days.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 01:18 AM) Contreras/Colon/Penny/Garcia is a World Series caliber staff.... If it were 2005. Add '05 Buehrle and Peavy And you have easily the most dominant staff ever. Thing is, 3 of those guys are completely washed up (Contreras, Colon, Penny) and one is a servicable #5 (Freddy)

Slayer's BA is dropping. Does this count as his first slump or second one?

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:37 AM) I know he's sucking now, but honestly, they wouldn't of picked him up if Coop didn't see something he couldn't tweak ala Danks, Floyd, Thornton, etc. Some are doomed to failure here. See: Aarsdma, David. MacDougal, Mike. The most annoying part is they both turned it around this year...MacDougal after he got cut.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 11:21 PM) San Diego loves the trade. No kidding, Richard has become a better pitcher in San Diego. I'd attribute SOME of that to his being in the weaker (offensively) league. I'll take a healthy Peavy over him any day, but Richard's got a nice future as the #2 pitcher in San Diego.

Thank god he's on his way back, he went down at the worst possible time.

Have Peavy and Buehrle pitch every game from here on out. Give them robo arms while we're at it.

I'll take Hudson. Hopefully he can do something to dismantle the Yankees. I hope.

I'm in till Jobu can no longer take fear out of bats. I say Kenny re-signs Frank and his rusty pipe for Sept.

He fixed Beckham's swing.

We need peavy so that we can like, have something to look forward to.

I'd rather we still had Poreda over Pena. Grrr.