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I just love that he hasn't named Andrew Vaughn as a development win yet. His defense has been horrendous and has made him a net negative, but he went from barely any minor experience to the majors. Also, Getz can get credit for Burger. It's just hysterical that Burger had to go to a collegiate league to prove to the team that he deserved to be at the alternate camp. Also, Dane Dunning somehow didn't get mentioned. He would have been wiser than Gio or ReyLo. Aaron Bummer as well. But anyway, more flameouts other than the ones that DA listed: To recap, DA's list Spencer Adams, Jared Kelly (on life support) Matthew Thompson (there's a chance) Carson Fulmer Zack Burdi Zack Collins Let's add Yolbert Sanchez Blake Rutherford Alec Hansen Micker Adolfo Laz Rivera Yoelki Cespedes Wes Kath Andrew Dalquist D.J. Gladney (if he doesn't turn it around) Oscar Colas (I believe still, but many here — and seemingly Pedro — do not) I don't think Vera (injury) or Stiever (injury after shooting through the system) can be held against him. But otherwise, that list is high draft picks, big bonus high schoolers, or expensive LatAm signings. The only one who doesn't apply is Laz Rivera, but he started getting trade smoke everywhere after a breakout minor season. Then you have his supposed feathers The team not properly developing Eloy as an outfielder has led to so many disastrous situations for the team AND he hasn't duplicated his rookie season at the plate. Kopech was supposed to be an ace and is a catastrophe. Gio literally left the team to get support his development here was so bad. Yoan is tricky because he had a great 2019 and a good 2021. But he's fragile and doesn't hustle. I honestly place more on MLB coaching for Yoan.

They just removed the bat part.

I love that Chris Getz must have been aiding Delmonico's breakout 2016 campaign in AA while he was in the Royals FO. But sure, Getz ran the ship from 2017-2023. A six year span. So far we've got Nicky Delmonico as the crown jewel of that. Let's look six years prior from 2010 - 2016 Chris Sale Jose Quintana Addison Reed Nate Jones Sergio Santos Hector Santiago Carlos Rodon Yolmer Sanchez Scott Carroll (normally wouldn't count, but you counted Yermin) Omar Narvaez Daniel Webb Leury Garcia I won't count Adam Eaton or Jose Abreu since they wouldn't count under the same criteria that I counted against Getz (highly ranked prospect acquisition / expensive foreign FA), but they also came through at this time. Players of note who didn't reach their peaks with the Sox, but made the majors with them Frankie Montas Daniel Hudson Marcus Semien Chris Bassitt Trayce Thompson But sure, Yermin Mercedes and Seby Zavala

I know this is for @Frobby, but a redundancy policy exists. We had such a top heavy farm system that when Yoan got hurt, we had nothing to replace him with (until this year, then Burger was traded). Eloy was replaced by a first baseman. Luis Robert was replaced by a comedy of errors. When Madrigal didn't work - and then got traded - nothing. Imagine Gunnar Henderson has a sophomore slump or Holliday follows the Moncada/Benintendi career path and Norby is the one racking up All-Star appearances for the White Sox. I think it's just the fact that people want to be risk averse.

People get attached to prospects and dream on them. Everyone has their sleeper prospect - we all once dreamt on dudes like Laz Rivera or Jake Peter - and then there are guys like Alec Hansen who went from a possible 1-1, fell to the Sox in the second round, dominated, then fell apart completely. So when you have a strong system full of highly touted guys, you're worried about trading the next big thing.

This is legitimately hilarious.

Harry Truman, Doris Day Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

For what it's worth, I think any discussion about Mark Buehrle should include this article. https://grantland.com/features/mark-buehrle-surprising-success/

The silliest part of all of this is that if he doesn't let Sosa reach first, he probably gets another 20% of the vote

Leury was held and shoulders the best player that WestEddy named. Chris Getz was an active player when Leury joined the White Sox.

Lopez went from starter to reliever. Gio needed to go outside the org to fix himself. Kopech has massive talent and it's gone nowhere. Eloy had a great rookie season and nothing since. Moncada is basically the same player that he was when he came over from Boston, after debuting in Boston. Cease and Robert he can get credit for. But let's get some others: - Crochet is being mismanaged (you can blame KW/Hahn for this) - Vaughn was rushed - Burger had to go to a collegiate league to develop himself before getting added to the 2020 alternate site - Sheets trained himself to be an OF - Alec Hansen, Luis Basabe, Luis Gonzalez, Blake Rutherford, and Ian Clarkin all had various degrees of squandered talent. - Madrigal lmao. It's been said that Sox prospects enter the system with their strengths and weaknesses — and they pretty much keep those exact same strengths and weaknesses. It's hard to see proof that argues against that. If Getz's track record on producing players relies on trades for Top 50 prospects and $25M signing bonus LatAm players - and even THOSE aren't all hits - that's not a good track record at all. Now, he's in charge, so let's see if it changes with him running the whole thing, but his track record doesn't scream success.

I'm gonna beat this drum to death, especially since Glasnow said it, but the Dodgers are just the Rays with cash. And it makes sense since Friedman put both systems in place. They didn't sign free agents for their sustained run until Freeman. If the Rays actually extended players, they'd be the Dodgers. Reinsdorf thinks that this is a bad model, for some reason.

We needed an additional thread for airing grievances? This is like complaining about your hair getting wet after jumping in the pool.

It's called manifesting.

I immediately rescind my Getz* comments if that happens. Edit: Accidentally put Cease

I tried to get the word filter to swap Tatis for Voldermort, so don't get your hopes up.

The Dodgers just spent $375M on a pitcher who has never thrown in MLB. $125M (and prospect capital) on a glass pitcher who can't sniff Cease's durability. If Dylan Cease's 2022 doesn't count, I'm not sure why Aaron Nola - who again, is 3 years older - gets to count his 2022. And just got $175M. Snell is an up and down pitcher with two ridiculous seasons under his belt. He's gonna get paid. In fact, the only two years he's thrown 180+ innings were his Cy Young seasons. Otherwise, it's minus 130, with ERAs ranging from 3.30 to 4+. Montgomery is gonna get paid off of one postseason run. I fail to see the argument for why Dylan Cease's market would be anything but a haul.

Tbh, Peacock might be the streaming service that my wife and I use most consistently + it being the cheapest actually makes it not that bad a service. It's user interface has made HUGE leaps since it first launched. Funnily enough, with password sharing being dropped (and thus my parents no longer using my account), Netflix might be the service that we ax due to its price hike once we get through our backlog.

Yamamoto hasn't had an MLB season like Dylan Cease and just got the richest deal for a pitcher in major league history. Shohei just had his second TJ and is way less durable and got $700M. I think the deal is worth it for his sheer star power. You like to knock Cease hard for 2023, where he was 18th in fWAR ahead of Corbin Burnes. He was 0.2 behind Nola, who just got $175M and is 3 years older. This is of course with the s%*# defense behind him. This video is kind of the perfect encapsulation of how the team failed him. Cease is gonna cost a team a lot in terms of prospects. Probably not as much as most people here are dreaming, but it's not going to be Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar.

If the Dodgers decide to go for Cease after Shohei, Yamamoto and Glasnow, I cannot wait to hear the rest of baseball attempt to cry foul.

I think the difference here is that Friedman has been planning for this offseason, letting All-Stars to superstars walk from their team — Machado, Seager, Turner, Scherzer, Darvish, Bellinger, Joc — while building a sustainable farm. They still somehow won 100 games in their down year. Obviously the big knock is that postseason pitching has bee We mourn the infield that never was (in Chicago) of Tatis/Machado. If Friedman spent like Preller (with seemingly no foresight), he could have had Machado-Seager-Turner, but probably doesn't have the purse ready to go this offseason, when the Dodgers are still projected third in payroll and the Padres have to slash.

Sorry, let me respond with an argument you understand.

The Dodgers experienced 2023 Lance Lynn and committed more than $1.2 billion (and prospects) to three players. The White Sox did that and decided to rebuild.

Work will be fun tomorrow after endless banter between Red Sox and Yankees fans posturing that they were each OBVIOUSLY getting Yamamoto.