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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) No. Touche.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) Example? Didn't your guy tell us that Ozzie was staying?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) I do not give one damn whether you believe any of it or not. If you don't like me, you don't believe me, or at least you don't WANT to believe me. Seems to be the way it goes around here. No, it just seems your guy hasn't been right at all.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:57 PM) Santos does not have a closer's mentality. He blows back-breaking games I would like to see him and Sale in the rotation and the sox just go after someone experienced at closing Rotation? I suggested it once due to low mileage on his arm, but we need a closer, not another starter.

Ozzie leaves and everyone gets deals. But this is good for the Sox.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) There is absolutely zero evidence that Reinsdorf was against signing Dunn.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) I get tired of the myth that Kenny has such little say in this organization. I get tired of the myth that Ozzie got fired.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) not gonna name names, but rhymes with fellpockinNB

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) I just wet myself. Hope it is true. Pleeeeeease.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) The Francona and guillen situations kind of mirror each other. The pressure in Boston has to be immense. Francona's personality I think would be a breath of fresh air in the White Sox clubhouse. Although anybody would seem like a breath of fresh air at this point. OBP Walker .326 as low as .309 in his only full season Baines .356 as high as .409 Baines has a Charly Lau approach which I love in a hitter and here is that approach which I think the Sox need A balanced, workable stance; Rhythm and movement in the stance (as opposed to standing still); A good weight shift from a firm rigid backside to a firm rigid frontside; Striding with the front toe closed; Having the bat in the launching position as soon as the front foot touches down; Making the stride a positive, aggressive motion toward the pitcher; A tension-free swing; Hitting through the ball; Hit the ball where it is pitched, rather than try to direct it. If Baines could teach a Lau-like approach, I'm all game for that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Oney, Ozzie Jr, and Joe Cowley. Victory, someone, Marty?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) ROFL at "banged Sandburg's wife" under PROs.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:30 AM) Ozzie was working in a situation that happens to a lot of employees, you don't get along with your boss. And as been noted in other threads, they may never have gotten along. On top of that your boss continues to send employees into your department that are not always what you ask for, or what you need. Most of your employees seem to like you, but your boss is their boss too, and that conflicts loyalties on their part. Meanwhile there is another company that has tried to hire you several times. Your boss doesn't seem to want you, this other company wants you a lot, and you sit there. Frustrated. You hate the company you work for, but love most of the people you are working with. You even love the owner, even though he isn't coming to your rescue. Then it appears there is an end in sight. However it will happen after the company that really wants you already has someone. Your boss is going to get his final revenge, you will be unemployed with no obvious job opportunity available. You do like having an income, the awards and s*** you earned while working for the company are nice, and you'd like to earn a few more, but money in the bank pays for food, raiment, and shelter. So what's your only way out? ----------- I always predicted Oz would be fired for some Al Campanis type comment. I easily see his career going in one of two directions. A Tony La Russa type, a long time in Florida, or a spectacular explosion of his mouth. Either way, thank you Oz. You left a season or two too late. Can we STOP acting like Ozzie would have died poor if he left the Sox and had to go be an analyst for Fox or something? The guy has probably over $40M in career earnings. Give me a f***ing break. Your analogy makes sense for normal jobs, but when Ozzie is already set for life, no, it doesn't work. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 07:55 AM) I take the "the" out of "psychotherapist". LOL.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) My guy on 35th told me back in August that LaRussa returning was predicated on Williams not being GM. But Oney is on 1501 Marlins Way now...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 02:19 AM) I hate that Phelps guy, though. Surprised this Cowley story isn't getting commented upon. Yes, KW was the reason Ozzie left. I agree with Cowley's sentiments, especially the last line. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...asnt-there.html Because Cowley is a terrible journalist.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 02:01 AM) Don't hate the man. hate the mouth. Greg, I like you, I really do. But this is the dumbest sentence I've ever seen on SoxTalk. The mouth is part of the man. And I say the fans at the stadium, when he was a player. As a player, there was a reason kids loved him, autographs and he would give plenty. I doubt he did that as manager.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 01:43 AM) The Ozzie hatred wears me out. The thing is on HIS website. He could have dictated the message to somebody who wrote it. I love Ozzie Guillen. Fixed. He never was a class act. Never. I loved Ozzie, then he just became more of an ass. He is not, will never be, and never was (except to fans at the stadium), a class act.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 01:29 AM) Well, the other problem is let's say Quentin asked for $17-19 million over 2 years (second year to buy him out of first year of FA). With his injury history, it's just as likely he could end up being a drain on the payroll. You're taking a big gamble assuming he would be the most marketable bat on the market. Certainly, he COULD be, but is it another payroll risk Williams/JR are willing to take? A lot depends on what were the legitimate offers for Quentin that were bypassed by KW in June/July. The other kid acquired from the Marlins (Oswaldo) has to figure into the battle with Escobar for the infield/utilty spot being vacated by Omar Vizquel. And you just MIGHT want to have one veteran on the bench. That's a pretty youthful group of 4. I want Martinez to try and be groomed into a starting SS in Charlotte. Lilli isn't young anymore. He's 28.

Definitely Sell: Quentin, Danks, Thornton Probably Sell: Floyd, Crain, Ohman, Frasor (offer arb or trade). Would Sell if Could Get Anything of Value For: AJ Rotation: I'd expect Sale to take "Ace" status mid-year. 1 - Mark Buehrle (resigned to $10M per) 2 - Phil Humber 3 - Chris Sale 4 - Jake Peavy 5 - Dylan Axelrod/Zach Stewart duke it out in spring training. Bullpen: Santos and Reed in the back will be nasty and I think Santiago and Lindsay could cover some, but the BP is taking a hit. CL - Sergio Santos SU - Addison Reed SU - This will have to be adressed externally for a lefty SU. MR - Shane Lindsay MR - Gregory Infante/Jhan Marinez LR - Loser of Axelrod/Stewart LR/6th Starter - Hector Santiago Starting Lineup: Rios and AJ would have Flowers and Lilli spell them a lot. LF - Alejandro De Aza SS - Alexei Ramirez DH - Adam Dunn 1B - Paul Konerko RF - Dayan Viciedo C - AJ Pierzynski 3B - Brent Morel CF - Alex Rios 2B - Gordon Beckham Bench: Flowers would be groomed as the next starter, Lilli would be a super-sub in the OF. Escobar basically replaces Vizquel with room to grow, Kuhn adds mad flexibility. C - Tyler Flowers 1B/OF - Brent Lillibridge SS/2B - Eduardo Escobar 3B/SS/2B/OF - Tyler Kuhn IF Dunn, Rios, and Gordon find out how to hit again, and Morel continues his September Surge into next year, that lineup could be enough to carry that rotation with Buehrle, Peavy 18 months from surgery, Humber and Sale building innings, and a Rook. Edit: I really like KHP's idea of giving Q 2 years to trade him at the deadline. Theoretically, also hold onto Ohman, Thornton, Crain for that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) There's ZERO chance that was written by Ozzie Guillen personally. It was written by someone in the PR office of the Florida Marlins, 100%. There's not a single grammatical error....so obvious, it's not Ozzie's style of expression at all.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) I don't know why u guys care what Ozzie says. Ozzie is Ozzie. He talks a mile and minute and even he has no idea what's coming out of his mouth. I loved the Miami Herald story. They asked his wife if he's ever quiet. She said, 'When he's asleep.' Hahahahahahaha That's so funny because that's why he's gone and we don't have more than 2 division titles in the past 10 years. Also, his wife could learn to shut up too. She helped start the feud.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) Milwaukee>Tampa>Texas>Arizona>Detroit>St Louis>Philadelphia>New York This is mine, but swap Detroit and Philly.

It breaks down to this: Which managerial tree is more impressive? Mike Scioscia --> Joe Maddon --> Dave Martinez or Frank Robinson --> Manny Acta --> Sandy Alomar, Jr. Quite frankly, I'd love either one but Martinez comes from a far more impressive tree.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 09:07 PM) Maybe Soxtalk should outlaw corporal punishment, because Caulfield just paddled Marty's ass all over this message board. He can put it on his resume/CV for Baseball Debate 101: Playing the Devil's Advocate and Constructing Powerful Arguments Based Off of Logic and Past Examples QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) So much so that I'm thinking about putting him on IG-NORE.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 06:51 PM) Swisher got along with Milton Bradley, but he couldn't get along with Ozzie Guillen. Ouch. Swisher is a cancer!