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QUOTE (Real @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 02:14 AM) With this ownership, it's definitely not a team I can recommend to my friends to root for. haha Zero accountability, z e r o. Players like that too.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 08:46 PM) They should be getting their king's ransom for Sale, Eaton and Quintana. Let me know when this organization is good at scouting and development for that to be considered a reality. That would be the when JR dies or sells, and all head office removed plan for that to be a reality.

I'm becoming Latos intolerant.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) As we enter another week of it's the players!/It's the manager! arguing, I keep flashing back to something on the 2005 World Series DVD. In the beginning, as they're setting up the whole 88 years "curse" thing, somebody (I can't remember who) said "There wasn't any curse, just a lot of bad baseball teams." I LOL'd at that for its truth. I think the reality here is that we've got the perfect storm: a lacking team AND a manager who's not up to it--even though everybody keeps arguing it's one or the other. And when you look at it that way, whose doing is that? Yup, KW (with the approval of JR). I've said it before, I'll say it again and I've been saying it for years: as long as KW is running this team, expect more losing seasons. Even getting rid of him isn't a guarantee if JR's simply going to hire another yes-man. But this problem starts at the top, people. I was shocked to look at our record against the central in just the Ventura era--not to put it on Ventura, but for senior management to not feel any sort of urgency, because if we can't even win the central, duh, we aren't going to the Series or anywhere else. Now for my total arm-chair conspiracy theory: I read something by chance about White Sox attendance that startled me. I could never figure out how JR could keep fielding losers when it kills attendance and... doesn't that mean less money for him? What this thing said, if I read it right, was that certain taxes kick in when the Sox hit a minimum attendance for the season. If they do NOT hit that minimum, there is no tax, and it's a substantial break. I'm sure somebody here can present this much better than me. So, in this scenario (if I'm correct), perhaps the reason JR's okay with the non-stop losing is that he has a financial incentive to not win--or not make a serious stab at it financially, instead coming up with these KW-engineered experiments that if they win, great--and if they fail, tax break! Again, I could have misread that but usually when somebody keeps doing something that makes no sense, it's because they're making money doing it that way. Even tossing that theory aside, though: this organization needs a Cubs/Hawks-like housecleaning. This season is going to be brutal. It already is. With no end in sight. Death has to take place for this to happen.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:03 AM) You forget that LaRussa managed the A's in the late '80s and early '90s. I did not. During that time there was rumblings of a manager that couldn't get it done in the post season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) Everyday I read when a player screws up, Robin is a bumbling fool...and all the rest. My question is, if the rosters were the same since he became the manager, how many more playoff appearances and in legitimate contention seasons would the White Sox have had if they hired someone else? I read constantly how short of talent this current team is, and they do seem on paper to have more talent than most of the others under his leadership. How many more wins and trophies does say Ricky Renteria running things translate into? I like Robin, but if there really was a compelling case other than total desperation which never works anyway to remove him , I would be all for it. It just seems some like to play both sides of the fence. The players suck, the front office and coaching staff are totally incompetent, yet, if you read gamethreads, this team should win at least 120 games if managed correctly. Wouldn't that make the talent gathering people outstanding? Robin is a fool if he uses Scott Carroll with a 5 run lead in the 8th, then he is a fool for using his closer with a 6 run lead in the 9th because now you should never use your closer in a non closing situation. Good thing the Sox never tried to hire Maddon. He uses Rondon is non save appearances quite often. There are so many things like this. This player should never bat second, a week later, why isn't he batting second? On and on and on. Renteria, Maddon, Gardenhire, Alomar, take your pick. How many more wins and playoff appearances does it translate into? Hindsight is a beautiful thing. When Tony LaRussa was fired, there weren't thousands of White Sox fans crying in their beer. In fact, most were probably toasting Hawk for doing it. Now Hawk is one of the biggest fools who ever lived, but LaRussa was fired in 1986, replaced by Fregosi who actually won a higher percentage of games that year. The total rebuild of 1987-1989 with really no chance to compete would have meant, had LaRussa stayed he would have had at least 4 years and 5 out of 6 after winning the division of horrible teams. Considering how people use Robin's W-L record against him, how would Tony have survived that? Obviously this has been an awful stretch of baseball. But they still are .500, maybe for a few more hours, maybe for the rest of the season. It will get better.They aren't as good as 23-10, they aren't as bad as 6-19. It was interesting they showed about 5 or 6 teams that went through a similar bad stretch during a season and still won a WS. I wouldn't predict that, but, if Hahn gets another bat, some of this will turn around. LaRussa was not the legend until he became part of the Cardinals organization. They seem to do something right most of the time.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) Little Nicky Delmonico to the rescue! Maybe if he hits and they win the team won't completely relocate! On a serious note, will they move the team elsewhere? God I hope not, then I'd have to be a Cubs fan. I never understood the foolish rule you had to be a fan of your local team.

Fire the whole stack and let Renteria pick his own guys. Coop can't be one of them.

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Is this real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide No escape from reality Open your eyes............

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Buddy Bell was mentioning the Latin players who are signed after these showcases, and how they really don't play games. They just train to get signed. After they are signed, many don't know which base to throw or how to run the bases, situational hitting.. any of the nuances of the game most take for granted, because their actual game experience is so limited.. I'm not really surprised by that at all.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) Maybe a lobotomy would help. I would have to be taken down to the ankles for that to work.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) I guess this is the difference. I still love the game of baseball. Win or lose I still enjoy watching and going to games. The games are more enjoyable when they win but really just love to watch baseball. I enjoy baseball when I have no emotional interest.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) I wish you wouldn't let the Pollyannas determine what you say. I wish I could be a pollyana.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) The last 10 years have fully convinced me that saying "I'll trade 1 WS for 10 years of garbage teams" remains completely the right move. I'll never forget what a dominant postseason that was. I think if they didn't struggle in Sept. that outcome might have been different.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) Elrockin, in all your time being a White Sox fan, why do you think it has happened? Some here have attributed it to being "overly respectful/fearful" of the Twins on the part of Ozzie, Harrelson, etc. Getting "psyched out." Since it's obviously a huge problem historically and indicative of current issues the team has (and has had), then wouldn't it be better to do some self-reflection and figure out a way to get beyond it...? Team psychologist? Better advance/d scouting? Better international prospect development (particularly Latin America)? It's not just the Tigers and Royals though, we're behind every AL Central team over a 7+ year period in head-to-head play. How can you as a fan explain that? Simply the fact that all those teams were better, had more talent? Reached their full potential, whereas the White Sox as a team and organization haven't? I remember back in that 2001-2006 time period, we constantly heard how the "Twins were just lucky," but it was because they were so sound fundamentally (especially from a defensive standpoint) and allowed their more talented opponents to beat themselves. They also had really, really good bullpens at that time, fwiw. Recently, it has been that the Royals were "just lucky and outperforming their peripherals and predicted WAR, etc." at FG, and BP, and Pecota projections, etc. They were better at fundamentals and their stadium had a lot to do with it. The problem when the Twins went into the post season their opponents could play fundamental baseball and had more talent.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:20 AM) If momentum is so real, how come the Sox had none after they came back and beat the Mets after trailing 4-0, and won the next day in extra innings? E It sure seems the lethargy is real.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) On the bright side, with all of these people who have given up, the game thread should be much better tonight. Wishful thinking.

I wonder if one of the reason they got Shields is possible trade bait before the deadline.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) Agreed. On a decision of that nature JR has to give his blessing. For example he OK'd letting go Tony LaRussa (and has admitted publicly many times afterwards that was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made as owner. The others? OK'ing the trade of Jerry Koosman and hiring Hawk as G.M.) Mark JR was not fortunate to have a crystal ball to tell him otherwise. We fans wanted LaRussa fired as well. There is no guarantee LaRussa would have been successful here anyway. The Cardinals are a complete 180 of the White Sox. I would imagine their success is based on every one from the scouting, development, management, are all on the same page. I believe the reason why Ozzie quit was this organization is a dead end when it comes to winning.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) This trade is doing something for the sake of doing something. Shields experience can help the younger guys in the rotation but he isn't likely to fare much better than Gonzales or Latos have. He is supposedly a really good clubhouse guy which is a plus. The Sox gave up nothing but some salary flexibility in this trade. But I don't really believe it did much to help this team win either. That's right. Coop has failed in that so far.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) Nine straight divisional losses. 3-12 against everyone in the division not named Minnesota. Total, complete garbage. I’m actually at the point now where I’m surprised that they’ve actually won a game. I’m trying to figure out if this collapse under Robin is worse than the one in September 2012. I don’t think it is (yet) because that team was so close to the finish line. This one when it started, well you still had 80% of the season to go. Given the schedule, if this continues for another two weeks, I’d hope the Sox front office starts thinking about who they can sell off for prospects. Don’t make the same mistake they did last year at the deadline. “But…but we’re in CONTENTION!!” Yea, right. LOL. And the beat(ings) goes on. Mark Since when did this organization have the ability to scout and develop prospects?

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) That wouldn't be the worst thing ever. We could get several AMAZING packages of prospects and young, established players for Sale, Quintana and Eaton. It would be the worst thing. Show me where this organization has a good track record of scouting and development.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) Good question. I am frustrated also but choose to think maybe those three hits and two runs in the ninth inning are a good sign It's called a tease.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) Well, we've confirmed that Matt Albers still does indeed suck. We need a McDougal type in the pen to compliment the Tony Pena clone.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) What a day it would be to wake up and find out the entire coaching staff and front office was terminated That would require putting them all on the same flight an an accident would happen.