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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) So your response to "The White Sox are a losing organization who can't stop making excuses" is "Here's my list of excuses". That's the problem right there. Every. Single. Organization. Can. List. Their Excuses. Winning organizations win despite them. Losing organizations dwell on them. Ask yourself this question: If the White Sox lost just Chris Sale to a torn achilles in April where would they be? The Cardinals had the equivalent of that and laughed it off. We had Chris healthy the full year and somehow we're unlucky. I thought he missed the beginning of the season. It was like a start or two. I also believe losing and winning are habits. That was KC until last year. (still didn't win it all) Then there's the Cardinals.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) The White Sox have officially been eliminated from contention for the 2nd Wild Card. If it were like hockey they would still have a chance.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 06:12 PM) Unfortunately the A's made one terrible trade last offseason and one solid trade and we somehow wound up on the giving end of the solid trade. Maybe someone will do us the favor that we did Oakland last year. Stop trading with Oakland would be a start.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 05:21 PM) How are they just going to get better hitters overnight without trading away the pitching? They can't. The problem lies with drafting and developing. Maybe LaRoche will be better since this is the first time facing AL pitching. Of course I thought the same about Adam Dunn. Maybe they can find another Abreu in Cuba. I'm amazed they keep the same scouts and instructors in the farm system that provide no results in position players. I think back in the 90's Sox pitchers in the farm system were envied by other organizations. It may be getting to the point that some GMs are wising up and growing your own players works better than free agency. I look at the money the Nationals spent and that's expensive mediocrity.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) explain ~~~ ok i think you are stating that his plan is easier said than done. His plan. It's not like they tried this before. They get the wrong people (NL veterans and the over 30 crowd). They also lack a leader with some emotion who is a player. I'm not talking about a couple of pitchers who play hardass when there's a potential brawl.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) you did a great job in getting all this done.... well thought out. i hate to say anything today, b/c this is a great post. Also easier said than done.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) See, this thinking drives me completely batty because this is the thinking of the White Sox front office and it's so much the thinking of a losing organization. All you've got is a list of "excuses" even if you don't want to call them that. "Oh if LaRoche had kept this up", "If Sale had kept this up", "we're so close we're right there". Every single losing organization can say stuff like that. They're still losing organizations. But you know what? The winning organizations could say that too, but they don't. Put the Cardinals in that same mode. How many excuses could the Cardinals make this season? "Wainright missed almost the whole year. Holliday, our best hitter, was out for more than 1/2 the year. Molina has hit the DL. Adams has missed most of the year. Peralta has put up a .626 OPS the 2nd half. Yadier Molina has a .660 OPS on the season - that's his worst in 5 years. I could keep going if I wanted. Winning organizations put together rosters that can take that. Losing organizations give a list of all the bad things that happened and pretend "oh if a few of those were different we'd be right there". Some things always go wrong! Especially if you're buying guys who are in their mid to late 30s. Play the excuse game the other way with the white sox and you can make them seem awfully lucky. In 2014, Abreu, Sale, Garcia, and Eaton all hit the DL. Nate Jones was out for the whole year. This year we've been remarkably healthy, out of that group the only thing resembling the DL was Sale missing 1 start. Eaton looked like an injury prone player last offseason and he's been almost 100% healthy. We've gotten great stints from Soto and Trayce Thompson that no one would have expected. How on Earth did the White Sox get that lucky? No one would have ever guessed all those positive things could happen. The Cardinals could make excuses like that. Their excuses put ours to shame if they wanted to make them. Instead they went out and won >62% of their games and put away the only division in baseball that has 3 playoff teams with little stress. That's the difference between a winning and a losing organization and we're the latter. Post of the week!

Another nice outing by Danks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-230140565.html

We need to get his DNA and inject it into our catchers.

The Sox probably have the largest collection of hitters than can't get around a fastball greater than 93.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) Danks did not even look at the runner at 1st. Our pitchers are horrible at fundamentals.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 10:52 PM) Hahaha I'm dying laughing. Think of all the sox, bears, and Illini fans here. Suck has an inconsistent meaning. With the Colts and KY, it's all or nothing.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) 2009 Bears: Cutler was 7-9. He had some bad games but his best receiver was Devin Hester. Forte rushed for 2010 Bears: Cutler was 10-5 and won a post-season game to give him 11 wins. Bears made it to NFC championship where they lost to Packers (with Jay out). Knox was the #1 ( 2011 Bears: Cutler was 7-3, but got injured in a route of the Chargers (5th straight win and during that stretch they averaged 32.2 ppg). Bears looked like an elite team until they were Caleb Hanied out of the playoffs. 2012 Bears: Cutler was 10-5 as the starter. Marshall had a beast of a season, although he really had on other receiving weapons. No other receivers with even 500 yards. 2013 Bears: Cutler had statistically his best season (Marshall was a beast again and Alshon emerged with Forte playing well). Defense was horrendous and Jay is 5-6. McCown goes 3-2. 2014 Bears: Bears are just an outright disaster. Cutler goes 5-10 and defense was beyond pathetic. The only time we had remotely decent defenses, the Bears were playoff teams (which is what you'd expect with a solid QB). The years where we had awful defenses, the types of D's that only a top 3 QB would get us their, well, we didn't make the playoffs and were bad, but not 2 win bad, why, because Jay is good enough to win a few games on his own, but he isn't good enough to go Aaron Rodgers and just win the whole thing. Bottom line, lets fix this football team. I agree if we can get a top flight Andrew Luck type prospect, you get him, but in the meantime, lets find lots of good football players, cause Jay with good players around him (a good defense and special teams, solid offensive weapons), is a QB that can win. Unfortunately you have to be very bad in the NFL at a time when there is a good draft of QBs. Then you need to surround them with quality coaching.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) Yankees announcers seem to have a bigger hard on for Trayce Thompson than Hawk does I no longer listen to the Sox broadcast. I like getting educated about the Sox from opposing broadcasts. Hawk likes to ramble.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 04:37 AM) yeah right... name a org that org??? again, what ever we, the fans opinions are, the sox FO will do what they want. however, you do not put your valuable asset in a position to get injured. no one can predict the unlucky events of injuries. as example i am going to use Troy - ss injury. buy you try to limit the others with playing the odds. either way, i like to see your opinion on my question i am done on this subject. Trying to plan against injury doesn't make sense and does not always work. Sale missed the beginning of the season because he was moving. Should they put him in bubble wrap in October and break him out in February. It's foolish thinking. They try this in the NFL. Your logic can't be any more flawed. Winning organizations in all professional sports do not walk on glass.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) I completely disagree with you. It's so hard to find a good leadoff hitter and average to above average defensive CF. This year not so great defensively, but last year he was pretty damn good. According to Baseball Reference, in his 2 years with the Sox, he has a combined 9.3 WAR. 5.6 last year and 3.7 this year. He's 26, and with so few offensive building blocks, you don't trade that away..... Hard to believe they filled two holes with one player. How far they have come from Brian Anderson and Jaun Pierre. Trading players because they are decent for a hit and miss prospect or two to an organization that has far more failures than successes with position players exceed the realm of baseball stupidity. Sox fans forget this is not an organization like the Cardinals.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) Dude, prospects flop all the time. You trade Eaton for two of them you'll be lucky to even get one that turns out as good as him in the long-run. Sure, there's a small chance you end up with a better player or both prospects work out, but the odds are incredibly low. If you're going to take that gamble, you might as well trade the rest of your assets (Sale, Quintana, & Abreu) and straight-up rebuild, because you're pushing your timeline back another year or two. As disappointing as this season has been, we still have a playoff caliber pitching staff in place. Putting together a legit offense will be challenge, but one that's not necessarily impossible if they're willing to commit some resources to fixing it (cash & minor league pitching). Again, if ownership & the front office aren't willing to do that, then blow this f***ing thing up, as you definitely don't want to get stuck in the middle. Especially in this organization. They hit the mark on pitching but that's it. At some point you can't keep trading those who are decent or good hoping for younger decent and good. There's plenty of organizations do that and have just as many years without a postseason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) Some teams are strong at developing pitching, while others developing hitting. Sox and Cubs are basically total opposites, with both teams having to pay a ton of money to try and upgrade the area they're weak at developing. I tend to think people underestimate just how good the 3-headed lefty monster of Sale/Q/Rodon could be. Only those who think of trading them. Smarj IMO does not have any impressive stats yet he would be expensive for the production you would get out of him. The Cubs didn't feel that way either.

Why are people shocked they are not seeing the invincible Sale like in June? He's not going to do that every outing. He's getting Q type run support.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) So Montas has one bad inning and now you want to give up on him as a starter? It's been clear that he's a big project and an unfinished product for a while now. Still too early to make that call. This board can be so reactionary at times. Maybe this is a knee jerk reaction because the kids can't rise above the veterans that suck.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) I will be upset if Sale is moved, but I'd understand why they'd trade him if it helped better the franchise as a whole. It's all spectulation at this point though. I personally don't think he'll be traded until at least 2017 at the earliest. Maybe later than that. I would be just as upset if Q is traded.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:14 PM) Yep, and I believe Hahn will listen on Sale and make a team offer a package that's simply too good to refuse. That's probably been done many times.

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) Well, Japanese people are so polite and nice. Maybe Iguchi just didn't want to make Brian feel so bad because Gooch had such a bigger schlong than him. He probably already pitted Brian enough with his batting average. I hope the Sox aren't as bad next year. Game day threads are starting to get strange.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) Have no idea what they'll be able to do. Free agent list isn't impressive in the areas they need. They'll probably have less money to work with given season tickets holders, many, won't be back. Still far to many black holes in the lineup. Starting pitching may be an issue as well if they trade Q. Yet they'll try to sell the fans on the notion of "contending" next year. Maybe the best thing they can do, maybe the only thing is to bring in an experienced manager who has won in the past and let him bring in his own coaching staff. Maybe they can get more out of what the Sox already have. That and removing Kenny completely from interfering. Mark Trading Q and signing Smarj = 4 steps back. I don't trust this organization with prospects unless they are ready to play. I still don't trust them with that. Maybe fans would have someone else to hate other than Javi. I'd rather build around Sale, Q, Rodon. Danks will be coming off the books eventually.