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QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 05:57 AM) Greg has every right to misinformed and have this no fault affinity about ozzie, just like everyone is about anything else. ozzie should not have been looking for a job while in the employment of the sox. ozzie should not have let his son run rampant as he did against the sox ozzie should not have taken and kind of recourse for his son not getting drafted. this was the beginning of the domino effect that lead to open hostility within the ranks of the management team, that made the final out come even worse than it should have. My theory is he would not be surprised at the performance of this current team. He sees the same things we do with the farm, ownership, and no consistent philosophy. Do you think any experienced manager would want this team? If Kenny was gone I'd move Ozzie in the organization in something like player development. Rumor has it Hahn still likes Ozzie.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) These so called baseball expert analysts can say what they want. Baseball players are professional athletes and are ADULTS! If they don't perform you don't treat them like children you move them. Find someone else to play if you truly feel these guys can't perform. I just got done listening to similar stuff on MLB network. They have no idea what happened to the Sox and a couple said they had picked the Sox to win after their off season moves. The Sox effort yo win now appears to have failed big time and we have no back up plan as far as developing our own. They think the Sx picked poorly in the draft for a decade but the last couple years have shown good moves, but there are no major league ready position players. The Indians on the other hand are seen as being able to recover faster. Seems the Sox are doomed for last place for several years. If they got rid of guaranteed contracts that could be a reality.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) I wanted Sandy Alomar Jr when Robin was hired and I still do. The guy has been in baseball his whole life and I feel that former catchers have a higher rate of success as managers. So why have other teams passed on him?

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) More of the same tonight. 6/30 @whitesox lineup vs STL Eaton CF Abreu 1B Cabrera LF Garcia RF Gillaspie 3B Ramirez SS Flowers C Sanchez 2B Sale P It's hard to do anything when you have basically 5 hitters in the lineup. With Sale and Abreu who are the other 3?

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:21 PM) Sale deserves a win tonight, but unless he throws a CG shutout it's gonna be hard. It's the national league so I say Sale's line is 8 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 16 K's and a no decision. Bloke to Choke: Bullpen You gotta pick a guy from that one.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) This might sound very dumb, but I've come up with a solution I believe! Put Avi at third base the rest of the year. It really doesn't matter how many games we lose. If we could get him to be a decent third baseman, his offense is acceptable for third basemen nowadays. What do you say? Avi at third base? This is already practiced by the organization. In the minors you had people who aren't very good at catching a baseball to begin with like Viciedo and Fileds trying to play 3rd. I may be wrong but even when they got Swisher he never really played CF. There's a point where trying to fill a whole with a player based on need doesn't work.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Who on the Astros has won? Who on the Rays has won besides Longoria? Whether you come from a winning club or not, it's irrelevant. There's not stat to prove or deny but I think it is with this club.

Chris Sale definitely has the winner's pedigree. He's won on a losing team. I still think victories can tell you about a pitcher. Sometimes the guy on the mound can bring confidence to a team. He brings confidence to the fans as well.

They're all bad choices. I can't imagine Konerko wanting to manage. Former players with no experience hasn't worked so far. At least Ozzie went through the ropes before becoming manager. Someone said with Ventura managing it makes you for get what a great player he was. I wonder who they will have to persuade the next time?

Doesn't lay blame on Ventura. If I'm Ventura, I’m making them go through infield and outfield pregame drills like Little League teams. I don’t care if players feel embarrassed. They ought to be embarrassed by their Little League-like play fielding and throwing. They ought to have enough pride to fix it. Note to Samardzija - want to get paid like an ace, act like one. I don't know if this is done or do players try to improve on their own instead of going through the motions. I remember in 2005, when Rowand wasn't hitting he would go to the batting cages in the morning. If they fired Ventura they might get maybe a week of improvement that may be about it. I read a comment someone mentioned a culture of losing. That supports my theory they always get too many guys from losing organizations.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) I've noticed a trend where you post on a topic and talk about how topic X is a major failure. You don't have answers to any of these said failures, but you do acknowledge that they are failures over and over again. It's not his job to do that. It seems evident in this organization that the same people have not move this organization forward. The solution is to replace people until you get better results and it's not going to happen anytime soon.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 01:40 PM) Devils advocate, but do you consider him a finished product? I guess the real question is does this organization have the ability to improve him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 09:19 AM) Pretty much. The only other way around it is huge spending on 23 and older Cubans and/or the Asian market. However, with the success of Kang with the Pirates, you'll start to see more openness as far as the Korean leagues, imo. He's the second guy after Choo (recently) to make an impact (not counting Hee Sop Choi and Chan Ho Park). The White Sox went to Takatsu and Iguchi and then seemingly abandoned that market, for whatever reasons. My biggest problem is that I'm just not convinced Ventura and KW are the right leaders for this new generation of baseball....I still think they're too traditional/old school. That said, the White Sox had the biggest gain in defensive shifts from 2013 to 2014....they went from 73 to 534 in one season. No other team in the 2014 Top 13 was under 249 shifts in 2013, so that has been a big organizational change. Asian players seem to know the game better with fundamentals but it seems some of them don't last as long in MLB. Cubans don't seem as fundamentally sound at least for the Sox.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 05:02 PM) Rather than the question being asked, I'd be more interested to know how all players fare upon switching from one league to the other. Not interested in what it kinda sorta seems like players do, but rather actual data on the topic. I think AL pitchers do better in the NL. They basically have to pitch to 8 guys.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) He had half a dozen different chances to take a job where he could have written his own story and rules if he didn't like it here. Not only did he not want the jobs, he didn't even want to give the other teams a chance to talk him into them. I think $$$ has a lot to do with it. He was paid well as an asst. GM.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) A more general lesson that might be applicable to the White Sox and to other teams this offseason, and in other recent offseasons, is that it is very difficult to rebuild through the free agent market by paying for full-priced, multi-year talent. Especially if you don't have the roster to carry your team without that person. This cycle will have to repeat until they fix the farm. Trading bad players only expands AAA with maybe some hope one of them will be lightning in a bottle.

He stopped being a Tiger and now he's a Sox.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) Well, then isn't it on the GM to find the RIGHT players who are internally-motivated, knowing their manager isn't exactly noted in this regard? It seems the rest of the season, we'll be going round and round in circles between the players, manager, coaching staff, Hahn, KW and Reinsdorf (organizational culture/loyalty) assessing blame. Should get old fast, since we've already spent the first half of the season on that same discussion and argument. They seem to find a lot of mentally weak ones and the ones they don't are home grown. No clutch, all choke.

In Ventura's defense, it's really difficult to have confidence in the pen lately. It's starting to look like last year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) Chris Young, Chris Carter, Michael Morse (peds case)....Daniel Hudson while it lasted. Miguel Olivo lasted for quite awhile but never quite lived up to his potential. Sweeney was good enough as a part-timer to get a decent offer from the Cubs but never lived up to Hawk's spring training hype. Of course, Nick Swisher couldn't have been more of a disaster with us and did fine with the Yankees and that short porch, well enough to get another sizable contract. It seems like the crap players we get rid of seem to do quite well against this team like Swisher and remember Wilson Betamit.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) "The short definition of insanity". Watching this team will do that to you.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) I think it is an anomaly as well. There is no reason in 2016 this team cannot get back to the 2014 success they achieved.......................... POST OF THE WEEK!

Another mentally weak loss. Who was your pick in Bloke to Choke?

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) Exactly. Teams in playoff contention need a reliever who throws plenty of ground-balls and can strikeout quite a few hitters. Putnam should bring back a solid prospect or two if the Sox decide to trade him. How often has this worked in the past 10 year? This organization is bad at developing players or the scouting makes mistakes. Most likely they would get a pitcher out of it. Teams with losing records trade out of weakness unless it involves a Chris Sale type player. How many deals happen like the Cubs got?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) If Robin Ventura put a catcher hitting about .175 fifty or sixty games imto the season, into the 2 hole with a team struggling, he would be called a moron. Ventura is trying to fimd a two hole hitter. Melky, Alexei, Beckham, Gillaspie, Shuck, Avi have all hit secomd. What the hell else is he supposed to do? Why don't you just tell us what the correct philosophy is and who the guy batting secomd should be. At this point he is tryimg to find something that will work. Nothing has as of yet, but he is still trying. That "philosophy" seems pretty sound. Philosophy is meaningless when you don't have the guys for it. So far no everyone has failed.