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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) This is your defense for keeping them? Anyway, the reason why you don't trade Abreu is that everyone would look at him as the .840 OPS hitter he is this year rather than the dominant hitter he was last year in terms of trade value, and the White Sox are in a position where they can afford to wait to see if he finds that dominant streak from last year. What does it cost them to wait on him, more losses? We're gonna get that anyway. Noooooo. You need guys to build around. I'm thinking of Sale and Abreu. They are pillars.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) You definitely dont move Sale unless already successful young major league talent is coming back. Trading him for all prospects could blow up big time. Not could but will blow up. The farm system is the real problem.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) I think Hahn in many situations would be a good GM. I think he is smart and is able to identify pro talent reasonably well. I do not think he was the correct GM to oversee the demolition of the team after 2013, because he could not convince his bosses that trying to patch over that roster was necessary. But maybe nobody could have done that. Maybe nobody could have had the buy-in to fire Buddy Bell. In most sane sports organizations Bell would have been fired. My guess he is an investor. Even if ownership were to change you would need a guy to fire unproductive people. There are plenty of scouts and instructors who need to go.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) Some inaccuracy. Laumann didn't preside over the 2001-2003 drafts. And the fact that Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook were in the Hawks OrganIzation when all these changes happened. Would the Hawks have won 3 cups and been as popular without McDonough? I am going to say probably. They were putting the home games on TV. Bill Wirtz was gone so no matter who took over would have been thought of as an upgrade, and their talent level was improving. I also think McDonough played a huge role in Brian Campbell's contract, which at least has been partially blamed on the Hawks having to dump players, although they did dump his contract...on Tallon. Would they have won even 1 cup or the 3 they did win if they stuck with Tallon and Savard? It's easy to say no, and it's probably the correct answer, but again we will never know. To try to copy another teams' "model" especially from another sport, is kind of hard to do, and there are several ways teams go about being successful. I don't understand how he can say this guy is bad, that guy is bad, but Hahn....he just hasn't been able to do what he wants to do. How does he know that? And if that is the case, and Hahn is/was willing to be someone's puppet, why would he be the guy for the job anyway? Everyone seems to know but you. The media insiders know it and this is the writer who finally says it. I think even Kenny as GM had little control when it came to firings. I have no doubt Kenny would have fired Ozzie but JR got in the way and none of that nonsense would have happened.

QUOTE (goldensox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Why not trade Sale and Abreu? Sox could get a lot in return for those two guys. At this point I honestly believe Sale is wasting away in our organization. I'm ready for a rebuild. This team has been s*** for far too long. Baseball is full of hall of famers who wasted away on losing teams. Where did this logic ever come from? Just look at the HOF guys on the northside. You don't trade a guy unless you have the sure thing coming up. To rebuild you should have pillars in place.

I reading an article on hitting coaches and the conclusion is most players don't listen. That's why George Brett quit. On some organizations when players don't listen they can be replaced. I would think handling veteran players would be the biggest challenge. They may have developed habits they've gotten away with and trying to change that must be hard for the coach and the player.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) It's not a crappy value. It allows you a ton of draft flexibility in a supposed good draft. They need something good in return for Samardzija to deal him. They'll draft another pitcher. Rinse and repeat. A fire sale is a greater risk. This organization can't develop players.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) Enough of basketball talk, we need to sell tomorrow. Season ended today, we would have the 7th pick overall Oh great they'll draft another pitcher.

I was listening to the SCORE and hiring Robin was a big mistake to being with. He didn't apply for it, had to be coaxed, so there will never be any passion.

Too many mental midgets. Instead of pick to click it should be bloke to choke.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) I was so close to buying some type of season tix package. Very grateful I waited. I'm not buying the MLB package for $49 this week.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 07:43 PM) The point is that it IS POSSIBLE for other teams to help their players improve defensively once they've reached the major league level. Instead, most of the White Sox players have been getting worse, by defensive ratings and/or the eye test. Explain what has been done by the staff to address that. They draft guys that can't catch a baseball to begin with. If they are deficient as something there is not going to be much improvement at a higher level of play. They think everyone can be like Happy Gilmore.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Haven't you read his posts? Be like the Royals, and get into the Wild Card once every 30 years. That's hard to ignore. For years we heard how great their farm system was.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) I'm at that point. What good is Chris Sale to us if he's just going to put up ERA's in the mid-2s for the next 3 years on a losing team? We spent the offseason saying "We can't waste Sale's good years like this". We're doing exactly that! We are now on a direct path to wasting them. Show me a way to put together a competitive team out of this mess and I'll stop thinking that, but if I'm now at the point where "This team looks like a debacle for years to come", what exactly is the point of having Sale for 2-3 years on that debacle? I can't understand the reality behind this. This is player who always gives you a better chance of winning. Seriously I can't find logic in this.

I'd think it's tough for a guy who spent most of their career in NL to adjust to AL pitching in the first season.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) So you like being a loser!!!!! I am assuming you did not play any competitive sports. I doubt any players are happy playing on this team at this point. I'm assuming you never played professional sports. It's about the paycheck. By your theory Robertson would have signed with someone else. I think players are happy here. There's no accountability for threat of replacement because it applies to everyone in the whole organization.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) Is Robin saying something wrong here? Isn't the job having the pitchers ready for the 1st inning on Don Cooper? He is the one with them in the bullpen. He is the self proclaimed manager of the pitching staff. Some of that also has to be on the pitcher and catcher. They are suppose to know the scouting reports on hitters.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:10 AM) didn't Hahn just hired some sort of office exec this offseason. i remember posting about how 1 person will doing the same thing Bell is doing but with no title. That doesn't sound like something Reinsdorf would do.

I have a theory the reason why Ventura was hired is that any experienced manager would not want the job considering the future is bleak. I believe Ozzie knew that and wanted out. I would think an experienced manager would like his team tailored to to the way he thinks they can win. That is not the White Sox way.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) It's the curse of any team with a "process" going against the White Sox. The Royals, the Cubs, the Astros...and the Twins with Terry Ryan once again are putting together one of the most impressive collections of young talent in the game. When the Tigers can outspend you by 25-30%, the Twins have you beat on the development front, the Royals with their bullpen/speed/defense combination...you better damn well find a competitive niche somewhere. Heck, the Indians even have their thing, which is their starting rotation depth. For the White Sox, it has been Cubans, Don Cooper, our training/conditioning staff limiting DL time and our propensity to find pots of gold under the rainbows of Chris Sale, Carlos Rodon and now Fulmer (pitchers with questionable mechanics). When they regressed, they fired some people. Not the Sox. How many Josh Fields does it take for people to lose their jobs?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Everything is lax, or it seems that way. Mark Gonzalez who use to cover the Sox will tell you that.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) And this is why the organization has turned into crap. No direction and a lack of accountability. I'm beyond frustrated with this piss poor play. dj even called out Eaton and Alexei during the radio call today saying they look extremely sloppy and their approach is awful. If Hahn doesn't do something soon, I will question him as a GM. Who the hell is in charge here? Hahn doesn't have the freedom like most GMs.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:09 PM) I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep. I will never, ever, ever, ever, never, believe this. They have the same people running the show. Anyone they bring up that is not a pitcher is often baseball clueless. There are not enough Spring trainings for this organization to work on fundamentals.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) If you rebuild, you better have good talent scouts and developers I'd say the evidence so far in this century is that they don't. This is where the whole trade for prospects idea will not work. I wonder how many former big league managers would want to run this team that has no future.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:23 PM) i agree, i have been waiting for some one to start this. but the rtn would be really too much for a team willing to pay. imagine 4 top rated prospects plus at 2 pitcher in the start line up. that is my demands. Which is a waste unless they are ready to play. Remember this organization is beyond terrible at developing players.