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QUOTE (ron883 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 06:32 PM) What is this guys trade value? Can he net Schwarber+? Great contract. If he pitched as well as last season, he'd have very good trade value. It might be time to trade him. He'd dominate the NL. This team desperately needs hitting prospects. Loading up on a couple from the Cubs could be a good idea. This is a high risk for this organization. They a) can't develop them any further b) ruin them by getting them to learn a new position they never played

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Anyone wanna chip in for season tickets with me lol. I think I would rather punch myself in the nuts multiple times than watch bad baseball.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 06:33 PM) Even if the Sox made decent progress but still missed the playoffs this year, wouldn't the organization still have to consider an upgrade at Manager? This would be the 4th year in a row Ventura's team missed the playoffs. The fact that this team is this bad even after all the additions means that Robin BETTER be fired.Fans have questioned his managerial decisions more than ever this season. I'm calling it now: After the final game of the regular season: The White Sox AND Robin Ventura mutually agreed to part ways. Jerry loves him too much to publicly 'fire' him but this is going to happen. Cooper once again will have the option to stay under the next manager, but all of the other coaches will be fired. I'm calling it now, Hahn will be forced to try and convince Konerko to be their next manager. :huh This is what they did with Ventura. Rinse and repeat - maybe it will work this time. I wonder why they chose Ventura to being with. Do they have a oldie but goldie dart board to make decisions? This is getting worse then Veeck's circus acts.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 01:38 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Insider article, but Buster Olney said basically what I did about Sale. He also said that it'd be pretty tough to get value for him because his value is so high. Let's see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck should do it.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) Aside from the Sale and Q contracts, Hahn has been a complete failure as a GM. He was highly sought by other teams and JR paid him better than most asst. GMs. His strength is contracts. As much as people can dislike JR the team doesn't get burdened with Puljols, Mauer type contracts.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) 3-2, the most white sox win ever. Just lose the rest of the games and get the #1 overall pick. This team is going no where. I wonder how many people want them to lose so changes will be made. So you must be eager for the Sox to draft another pitcher. Maybe they do that so they don't run position player prospects.

Stink is contagious. Sale seems immune. Keep him.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) for me and i will say this, even in this past off season, if the sox are going to buy into the rebuild, do it completely. Impossible when the ownership supports loyalty over performance.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) The problem with these 2 posts back to back is...if we're relying on the farm system to restock this team, and the farm system is as weak as the first post indicates...then we're stuck with a multi-year problem where Sale and Abreu are going to be surrounded with jack squat. Which is pretty much where I think we're going to spend the rest of the decade, FWIW. The fault lies in scouting and drafting. These will be the same people evaluating the trade value for Sale. You are digging from the same whole and it gets deeper. When was the last time a trade of this type was done in this organization and it worked?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) That story about George Brett was interesting. Mike Schmidt wrote it after talking to George. Apparently the hitters didn't want to work with him because he had suggestions, but they had no problem with the assistant because he would tell them what they wanted to hear. So George quit. I remember when Chet Lemon was slumping so bad no one could help him. Ted Williams was visiting Comiskey Park and Chet Lemon was asking for advice. I think for coaching to work at the big league level the philosophy has to be consistent through the organization. It seems poor base running, lack of fundamentals is consistent in the organization.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) This is your defense for keeping them? Anyway, the reason why you don't trade Abreu is that everyone would look at him as the .840 OPS hitter he is this year rather than the dominant hitter he was last year in terms of trade value, and the White Sox are in a position where they can afford to wait to see if he finds that dominant streak from last year. What does it cost them to wait on him, more losses? We're gonna get that anyway. Noooooo. You need guys to build around. I'm thinking of Sale and Abreu. They are pillars.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) You definitely dont move Sale unless already successful young major league talent is coming back. Trading him for all prospects could blow up big time. Not could but will blow up. The farm system is the real problem.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) I think Hahn in many situations would be a good GM. I think he is smart and is able to identify pro talent reasonably well. I do not think he was the correct GM to oversee the demolition of the team after 2013, because he could not convince his bosses that trying to patch over that roster was necessary. But maybe nobody could have done that. Maybe nobody could have had the buy-in to fire Buddy Bell. In most sane sports organizations Bell would have been fired. My guess he is an investor. Even if ownership were to change you would need a guy to fire unproductive people. There are plenty of scouts and instructors who need to go.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) Some inaccuracy. Laumann didn't preside over the 2001-2003 drafts. And the fact that Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook were in the Hawks OrganIzation when all these changes happened. Would the Hawks have won 3 cups and been as popular without McDonough? I am going to say probably. They were putting the home games on TV. Bill Wirtz was gone so no matter who took over would have been thought of as an upgrade, and their talent level was improving. I also think McDonough played a huge role in Brian Campbell's contract, which at least has been partially blamed on the Hawks having to dump players, although they did dump his contract...on Tallon. Would they have won even 1 cup or the 3 they did win if they stuck with Tallon and Savard? It's easy to say no, and it's probably the correct answer, but again we will never know. To try to copy another teams' "model" especially from another sport, is kind of hard to do, and there are several ways teams go about being successful. I don't understand how he can say this guy is bad, that guy is bad, but Hahn....he just hasn't been able to do what he wants to do. How does he know that? And if that is the case, and Hahn is/was willing to be someone's puppet, why would he be the guy for the job anyway? Everyone seems to know but you. The media insiders know it and this is the writer who finally says it. I think even Kenny as GM had little control when it came to firings. I have no doubt Kenny would have fired Ozzie but JR got in the way and none of that nonsense would have happened.

QUOTE (goldensox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Why not trade Sale and Abreu? Sox could get a lot in return for those two guys. At this point I honestly believe Sale is wasting away in our organization. I'm ready for a rebuild. This team has been s*** for far too long. Baseball is full of hall of famers who wasted away on losing teams. Where did this logic ever come from? Just look at the HOF guys on the northside. You don't trade a guy unless you have the sure thing coming up. To rebuild you should have pillars in place.

I reading an article on hitting coaches and the conclusion is most players don't listen. That's why George Brett quit. On some organizations when players don't listen they can be replaced. I would think handling veteran players would be the biggest challenge. They may have developed habits they've gotten away with and trying to change that must be hard for the coach and the player.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) It's not a crappy value. It allows you a ton of draft flexibility in a supposed good draft. They need something good in return for Samardzija to deal him. They'll draft another pitcher. Rinse and repeat. A fire sale is a greater risk. This organization can't develop players.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) Enough of basketball talk, we need to sell tomorrow. Season ended today, we would have the 7th pick overall Oh great they'll draft another pitcher.

I was listening to the SCORE and hiring Robin was a big mistake to being with. He didn't apply for it, had to be coaxed, so there will never be any passion.

Too many mental midgets. Instead of pick to click it should be bloke to choke.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) I was so close to buying some type of season tix package. Very grateful I waited. I'm not buying the MLB package for $49 this week.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 07:43 PM) The point is that it IS POSSIBLE for other teams to help their players improve defensively once they've reached the major league level. Instead, most of the White Sox players have been getting worse, by defensive ratings and/or the eye test. Explain what has been done by the staff to address that. They draft guys that can't catch a baseball to begin with. If they are deficient as something there is not going to be much improvement at a higher level of play. They think everyone can be like Happy Gilmore.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Haven't you read his posts? Be like the Royals, and get into the Wild Card once every 30 years. That's hard to ignore. For years we heard how great their farm system was.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) I'm at that point. What good is Chris Sale to us if he's just going to put up ERA's in the mid-2s for the next 3 years on a losing team? We spent the offseason saying "We can't waste Sale's good years like this". We're doing exactly that! We are now on a direct path to wasting them. Show me a way to put together a competitive team out of this mess and I'll stop thinking that, but if I'm now at the point where "This team looks like a debacle for years to come", what exactly is the point of having Sale for 2-3 years on that debacle? I can't understand the reality behind this. This is player who always gives you a better chance of winning. Seriously I can't find logic in this.

I'd think it's tough for a guy who spent most of their career in NL to adjust to AL pitching in the first season.