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I was thinking what's the cable lineup for 2014 since I probably wont care to watch the team unless a "Trout" type player emerges from the farm system. Since 2007 they have been one of the most boring teams to watch.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 27, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) Nothing really new here. Although, it does seem that rival execs think the SOX players have more value than many here seem to indicate, not that that is of any surprise. I'm not so easily swayed by the words of journalists.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 06:22 PM) They better play Beckham at SS and Keppinger at 2B before they try Morel at SS in a major league game. But this is the White Sox we are talking about.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 02:11 PM) He was really bad but that was in part because his back went out. The Sox seem to be cursed at this position.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 27, 2013 -> 06:41 AM) This should be the title of every game thread for the rest of the year. Not in green for a reason. The bloke to choke.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 27, 2013 -> 06:21 PM) Good. It's very much needed and overdue. Settle in to suck for a bit, build the farm, and attempt to compete again when Detroit's window is closing. I think the problem is the personnel on the farm.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Man you really think opposing GM's are idiots. That's what we a hoping for at the trade deadline.

So that was Reed who was also in the way. The farm system may produce decent pitching but they are the weakest in fundamentals.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) This is exactly why this deal wont happen. Position Player >>>> Closer. As desperate as they may be to fill that gap, I can't believe they would give up a potential building block to a division rival. Castellanos is probably the #2 or 3 best 3B prospect in baseball behind Sano and possibly Rendon. You are thinking with a logical baseball brain. We are talking about the Tigers who paid more than they need to for Fielder. BTW these type of deals happen in pro sports all of the time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:42 PM) Can we stop having penis envy of a team that hasn't won a thing in 108 years? Post of the week. I know the first post was a joke but I can't believe anyone here would seriously think Coop will fix Marmol. I think Coop has lost his magic wand or some of these guys are just really, really bad. He couldn't fix the former Twins dude last year. Danks and Floyd are not a testament to Coop's greatness.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 12:46 AM) Or the beat writers are covering for Ventura because they feel sorry for him and believe it's not really his fault, that the team is just either getting old (Konerko) or lacking in talent. It's pretty rare that beat writers step out and openly confront something like this unless they have some inkling the manager's days are numbered and he's going to be leaving soon...that the tide/momentum has shifted enough to give them cover. Maybe with the Ozzie/KW war, it would be less unusual because it was much a PR/spin war in the media (and social media) than anything else. I think it could be he is too likeable. He's not really defensive like Ozzie and the previous managers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) That's kind of the point of the whole debate between Balta and Dick Allen. The truth lies somewhere in-between. There are always some players who seem to be progressing and then mysteriously regress, too. Gordon Beckham would be a perfect example. Some would blame it on make-up/character/stubbornness. Some on attitude. Some on the coaching staff. Some on those around Gordon who "enabled" him throughout university and into the first round. Some on the scouts who missed mechanical flaws that would be exposed at higher levels. Some on the inability to make adjustments. Many many issues. The Sox seem to suffer this with veteran player FAs as well. It's like a curse. I still think scouting and instruction need an overhaul. Beckham is not a total disaster compared to some of the other Sox prospects. He could fit on a team that doesn't rely on his offense but needs his defense like the 2012 Tigers. This organization has had some really bad flops that even semi-pro teams wouldn't sign them.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) That's why you have to ask for more. It's the tigers. No way you lose that trade. Caste llanos is worth far less than y'all realize. Ilitch wants to win this year not develop a prospect. This. Plus the Tiger have a pretty good pitching coach. They might take Reed.

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't Sale suppose to move to the 1st base side away from the play?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) Have you seen the Bartman 30 for 30? That was game 6, but the kid filming from the stadium gave a good feeling as to how anxious the place was. I started watching that. Most us were watching the TV broadcast. What's real interesting how classless Stone was on the radio over that. The funniest thing is Gov. Rod B., "He'll never get a pardon from me." It's a testament on how classless the Cubs organization is and how barbaric we have become as sports fans.

QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:57 AM) AJ provided this team with a leader and a voice. An attitude. They are really missing that this year. This team is very vanilla, someone needs to step up and make some noise. Pauly isn't gonna do it. Dunn isn't gonna do it. Peavy talks a good game, but doesn't carry it over clearly. We need a leader. AJ doesn't make us a contender, much like Flowers doesn't make us a losing team. That being said, a World Series trophy is only second to a Super Bowl trophy in this town. NBA would be 3rd. Hockey 4th. There are a TON of Blackhawk bandwagons right now, that happens. It says alot that the Stanley Cup finals was on a channel that many folks didn't even get on their regular cable/dish. Hawks sell tons of tickets, and keep raising their prices. No one even complains. The wagon is going strong, ride it till the wheels fall off! I enjoy the Hawks, but I am in no way a die-hard fan. And hell, I'd watch the Playoffs of just about any sport. The team has been vanilla for quite some time. They need a young superstar like Frank in his prime. Chris Sale doesn't fill that void since he is a pitcher.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:55 AM) I fell in love with the team and hockey in general during this stretch. So awesome. I gotta save some money to buy a ticket when the Hawks comes to town. I'm 3 miles away from Jobing.com Arena.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:45 AM) No one in their right mind would argue hockey's place on the national stage but this city has absolutely fallen in love with the Hawks. Look at the sell out streak, ticket prices, tv ratings, whatever you want to look at, Chicago has been hockey crazy for a bit now. Funny how winning does that.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 07:29 AM) Except for that whole double 3-peat thing in the 90s Yeah that's a real stain in Chicago sports history.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 08:10 PM) NO trades for salary relief. Get maximum talent. The budget will be smaller next year anyway as we regroup - there's the salary relief. I'm against trading Peavy at the break unless it's too good to be true. I would see what he fetches in the off season.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 08:18 PM) Part of it was deliberately pitching around Gordon to give up a run (that's my opinion). Then you just had some bad luck with Crain fielding (one of the better overall athletes on the team)...it's not like he was hit around. I know the 2nd single of the inning just kind of plopped in there as if it was deliberately thrown from home plate. My perception is that he was deliberately giving up the streak and thought Escobar was an easier out, the right play statistically. But Crain had also thrown roughly 100 pitches in outings almost back-to-back-to-back...Ventura was REALLY pushing his luck, too. He's lucky that he's still an asset for the White Sox after how Robin has ridden him so hard (like Peavy last year). So it's easy to make Ramirez the fall guy since he hasn't been playing well. I watched the replay from behind the SS view. That ball was suppose to get closer to the ground as it bounced. After the 2nd hop it took flight. It also looked liked he was on the OF grass. Was he really playing that deep?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 09:09 PM) What's your intuition telling you, then? Is it Ventura being too lax with players who consistently are making mental/physical errors and demonstrating a lack of concentration/focus that's almost inexplicable? The other coaches are simply not doing their jobs, like Parent? Bad luck? Is there really a correct answer? Some players can be coached and it brings short term success. Basically after that they return to their norm.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 05:01 PM) Last year we heard over and over and over again that it was the most fundamentals-oriented spring training any of them ever went through. This year we haven't heard a peep even resembling that. Whether it was the WBC schedule, the fact that the team tired out last year, whatever...they didn't do the fundamentals focus they did last year and the results speak for themselves. We've given up more unearned runs this year so far than we did all of last year. Not to mention the missed cutoff men, etc. The most blatant one is the rundowns. outside of Youk who wasn't there for ST, it seemed like every rundown last year was executed perfectly. That's just a skill to practice; run at the guy and then 1 throw. We nailed that just about every time last year. This year I don't think I've seen it done correctly once. No one practiced it. Not a soul. Maybe he didn't realize how well it worked/ how important it was to last year's success, maybe he stopped caring, maybe the players stopped caring, maybe he decided the team was too tired at the end of the year. Whatever the reason was, I'd have extended him several years last offseason for hwo good the team looked. I want him fired now for how bad this team looks. The other thing that stood out last year was their approach at the plate.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:00 AM) Yeah, it's nice to see a Chicago team win it all/get within reach, and then not immediately fade into obscurity. It wouldn't be a Chicago team otherwise.

Eventually you have to take a risk to find out what your future holds. This was the year to find out what Flowers was like. I'm sure the Pack could have held on to Favre a couple more yours but you have to take a risk and find out of the other guy is the real deal. You can't fault them for that. I doubt he would be hitting .300 in this lineup. Hitting in the Rangers lineup is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different than hitting in this lineup.