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Time to take Sale out.

I've never seen a guy who can change speeds so much like Sale.

The Sox timing is off after facing those hard throwing Detroit pitchers.

The Bruce Chen syndrome.

Sale is throwing in the 70s-80s

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) Check out this MLB playoff commercial. Konerko in the hot tub is hilarious. Great commercial.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/hitlist/...date=2012-09-13 Max Scherzer's ERA by month: 7.77, 4.04, 3.86, 3.62, 2.25, 1.23 If he keeps up his ace quality, Detroit will have trouble paying all of those guys.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 09:41 AM) Count me as one who considers CURRENT VERSION Peavy to be part of the problem for why we're having such difficulty closing this thing out. He isn't THE problem; he has lots of company; but, in my view, he is indeed part of the problem. Admire Peavy a lot as a pitcher. I don't think his bulldog attitude is a sham. That's who he is and it has a lot to do with his success over the years. I do think he's always been somewhat overrated -- and certainly benefited from being in the NL and playing at PETCO -- but even present version Peavy, post-major surgery, is a good to very good (and sometimes even dominant) big league starter. That said, my disappointment is that sometimes you need a pitcher to be GREAT. And be GREAT when you need him to be great. And whether it's inability to dial it up to great (this year), or plain bad-timing, Peavy has not been able to produce that GREAT start in a start where you truly need him to. Not once in 2012. Sale has -- many times. Quintana has -- multiple times. Even Axelrod and Santiago have. The entire starting staff did over and over again in 2005. Even the much-maligned John Danks did in the Blackout Game. And certainly Scherzer, Verlander, Fister, and Porcello (in Detroit) could dial up GREAT against us (of course, they had the luxury of going against our hitters). Forget the "ace" label, sometimes you need your guy to simply dominate and shut the opponent down -- no excuses. And I haven't seen one time that 2012 Peavy has been able to do that. If we were forced to a Game 163 versus the Tigers and had the luxury of picking ANY pitcher on our staff to start the game, all equally rested, Peavy would be my fourth option behind Sale, Quintana, and Floyd. It's not because I think Peavy isn't a strong starter to have on your staff during the course of a full season; he's my fourth option because I haven't seen a thing, THIS YEAR, that gives me confidence that he can throw that GREAT GAME for you, against a quality opponent, when you need him to do it. I'm not understanding these comments. Going back to the small sample size in the NL and what we have seen vs. the Tigers in winnable games-he fails in important games. Floyd would be the best pick because of his history. Sale and Q are young and since this is the most they've ever pitched, you don't know what you'll get.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) Exactly lol, as far as Chicago is concerned, Baseball season is over and Football season has arrived. and a reality check for Bears fans and Steve Rosenbloom that every NFL team is not like the Andrew Luck Colts.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) This. But I am fairly confident these boys know what's at stake and will steamroll the Twins. They seem to have forgotten this with Detroit despite being at home.

The guy that got the save is named Josh Fields.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 11:04 PM) Anyone ever watch the weekly show on the NBC Sports Network "Caught Looking"? Fantastic production value, and they gave an amazing stat that Marco Scutaro has made contact (whatever that means) on 94% of pitches in the strike zone. Wow! That just means he's no Adam Dunn.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 05:32 PM) That's great! Now please receive an award for excellence in winning the Central Division! C'mon. This is our everyone gets a trophy moment.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 11:57 PM) Extra rest for what? There's 3 weeks left. He's your best pitcher. You start him on normal rest every time unless he is injured or needs the rest. Every time you give him more rest, it's another start made by someone else that isn't nearly as good as him. See Strasburg. You also have to think about 2013,14,15,16.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 12:02 AM) Good points again about the NL contracts especially. I think I'd cut bait with Liriano. He's so inconsistent it has to be mental. I wonder if he wants to be fixed. Seems like the kind of guy who just goes out there and whatever will be will be, oftentimes it's bad. I am assuming a lot, thought, but I'm not impressed. Does he have closer stuff for an inning or could he be a setup guy and we could let Thornton go? Sounds like the perfect White Sox. A lot depends on what you can sign him for. He would be a lousy closer. He needs at least an inning to get his act together. The was another Ventura brain fart putting him in.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 12:00 AM) You can say that teams have a different mentality, but it's pretty hard to have momentum when baseball is a completely individual sports disguised as a team game. Since the last two World Series were won by NL teams challenges that along with the Sox still leading the division.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 11:31 PM) As far as momentum goes, I don't think it comes into play much in the conventional sense in baseball. I think offenses can help each other and hurt each other, but the starting pitcher (most important individual) is impervious to the changes in momentum. I can see that. The game is more about streaks. It's not often the best team in baseball wins the World Series. I think the NFL is getting more like that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Sox again next season, but you'd think the Bosox or somebody else will overpay by a bunch. Peavy like Paulie was great the first half. He's been human the second half and not near as effective. I still would like him in the rotation. Obviously losing him will mean losing a ton of innings, but you would think the Sox can't afford him. Too high of a risk. He might get hurt again. $$$ per appearance has been a lousy value. I don't know if this is more of a NL thing, but they really back load the contracts of pitchers. It reminds of NFL contracts except those often get renegotiated or they cut the player. Look at Lincecums numbers this year for $14M. Just wait to see Mark Bs numbers in the final year of his contract. Waste of money. If they could sign Liriano dirt cheap, I would like to see if Coop can fix him in Feb. I would keep Youk at the expense of Peavy. The Sox always seem to come up with pitching. If they don't keep Youl, they only option they have at 3rd is Robin becoming player/manager.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 07:29 PM) Then we're back to the salary issue and the Cy Young/2007 expectations argument. When things go bad, fans tend to turn on the highest paid players, especially if they seem to be loafing, dogging it or too "non-chalant." See Rios, 2011. Peavy tends to draw resentment partially because of his "bulldog" mentality and comeback from injury....which causes resentment again, because some will defend him no matter what he does in big games, essentially. A couple of media guys made a great point. This is the time of year you have to rely on your money guys. Jake is one of them. In a big game at least produce a quality start-not fart like Tues. It's not just him but guys like PK. Enough excuses.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:03 PM) Robin's current season of MLB 2K11 on Xbox 360 doesn't show that Sale pitches on Monday. BTW can Youk actually bunt in MLB 2K11.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Big time agreed, no such thing in baseball as momentum(sorry fathom, respect the hell out of you but hate how much you use that word). 2012 Sox and Tigers agree with you.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:09 PM) Talking about momentum, I remember Joe Torre said he felt momentum change in that series where the Red Sox came back from the 0-3 defecit. He said he felt it change when the Red Sox won I think game 5 in extra innings and the Yankees just couldn't overcome it afterwards. He definitely believes in momentum for what it's worth... What does he know?

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:13 PM) If you think momentum doesn't exist you clearly never watched a minute of sports in your life. Yea it might be overblown on Soxtalk, but s***. Fixed it for you.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 09:02 PM) There is no game-to-game momentum in baseball, IMO. Tell that to the 2011 Tigers and...........I don't know maybe a s***load of baseball teams.

please explain to me why they are getting shut out