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QUOTE (sunofgold @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I don't know. 6 or 7. Get Dempster for a couple sucky low level prospects with low ceilings, trade Floyd and Beckham for an upgrade at 2nd base. I think that could be a plan. I would trust Floyd over Dempster. I don't think I want a NL guy who has to learn the AL this late in the game.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) That's downright A+ reporting Laurence. At least it's accurate without throwing in speculation and people think it's true.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) By now, you've probably heard about Chick-Fil-A and their anti-same sex marriage stand. This coming from a company that is openly evangelical. Is it a big deal? Personally, I think they can have any opinion they want, but it's a slippery slope. The corporation gives to "anti-gay" groups but will gladly accept money from the LGBT community (if anyone of them would ever go there again). But, you can't discriminate and not allow them to buy your chicken. Seems like this is a case of shut up and serve.... matt It's the gay right agenda bullying people. They owners are also against divorce. Where are the divorcees protesting? I doubt they discriminate in hiring. No one asks in an interview if you are gay unless you are interested in a job being a bartender at a gay bar. (gays do discriminate) They are a company, not a religious institution. They probably don't discriminate in hiring. I've read stupid statements from the mayors of Boston and Chicago about blocking this company from bringing in a franchise. I guess they have never heard of the 1st Amendment.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) I guarantee it happens. I've gotten comments twice for being married to a "non-white" (both times were in Chicago of all places too). So if I'm getting comments for something that has been going on a lot longer, you better believe it happens quite a bit for something that as a whole is far less accepted in society. I think its unfair. To be honest, I think there are 2 debates. One is the religious debate regarding marriage. The other is the equality debate. I can see someone making the religious argument and understand there view (even if I disagree with it). However, I can't understand how you can't create a civil union which provides a gay couple the same exact rights as a married couple. Plus, to be frank, the religious side of the argument, shouldn't be up to the government. You are mistaken if you think gay marriage is only a religious debate and it is often portrayed that way. Communists don't support it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) The Franchise might be the least staged reality show out there and professional wrestling is real

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) Well... not really comparable. The Tribe said they were interested in re-signing Thome. (Not sure how serious... But that is part of the equation) Thome proclaimed during the negotiation process that it wasn't about the money... That he loved playing in Cleveland and that "they'd have to tear the jersey off my back" to get him to leave. Then he left because Philly offered him one year more guaranteed on his contract. So... it was about the money. And fans saw him as a liar and hypocrit. He would have been better off if he never opened his mouth. Also playing for division rivals. What if MB signed with the Tigers this year? Some love would be lost.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) Don't see how we can trade Floyd right now. I think that he will be okay down the stretch. He did have some days off which probably should help him. He's the only starter who pitched the past two seasons AL post season experience Then there's Peavy - when's the last time he pitched a full season? Sale and Q - dead arm potential Humber - possible flash in the pan Liriano - what if Coop can't fix him After Grienke I don't know what realistic trade would bring a reward over the risks. If he's gone, you risk having a 4 man rotation. This is a scenario where the nontraditional 6 man rotation would work.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 01:01 AM) You certainly weren't the only one, but you were the most vocal on this site. Kenny Williams was on that list.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) the only reason you trade floyd is if it's to get some prospects you can subsquently flip for another starter. this team needs six starting pitchers for the rest of the year. it is essential, imo. That supports why you don't trade him.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 07:25 AM) Heyman was on Mulley and Hanely this am, and reiterated the fact KW is looking to try and find someone to trade for Gavin Floyd, and also reiterated KW is still one of the most active GMs out there. He said we are in on League, guess we will have to sit tight for another day or so. I think Kenny is still out there looking for a jaw dropper, just my opinion. I just get that feeling KW wanted the rush after a blockbuster like Grienke and he is like a gambler on a run, he wants that rush again. Not saying it will happen, I just think he has another impact move left before tomorrow at 3PM. Once we get closer to that 3 PM deadline the more you see GMs flinch and I think that's when Kenny is at his best. Kenny could be on of those as well. I really don't get the idea of trading Floyd. Of all of the starters he has the least ?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) Yep. When Gavin has his A game going there aren't many better. You don't just give up on talent like that This is why the talk of trading him makes no sense.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 02:55 PM) The one man rumor mill lives on! If Floyd is going somewhere it better be for a substantial piece back, I would be nervous with our current rotation minus Gavin. But who knows, the Liriano move could mean the Sox are offering Humber or Floyd to the highest bidder. That could backfire. Coop has to fix Liriano on the fly instead of Spring training.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) The market said otherwise. Danks would have been one of the top three pitchers on this FA market, and would have been a hundred million dollar contract, sans the shoulder problems. I think this is a situation where the fan base overrates him. Other than this upside we keep waiting on, his stats don't say $100K pitcher. The Sox were the high bidder in this one. He was determined during the season to be somewhere else.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) But they're not going to go into 2013 with Morel as the 3B after this year...the fans wouldn't be very tolerant after how well YOUK has played and how many games he's been the key to winning. Liriano, if he's comfortable here and enjoys working with Cooper, why not? Familiar with division, same area of the US roughly, he's not going to be getting $12.5 million (the minimum for compensation as an offer) or more, so he might want to sign a one year deal with the Sox, work with Nieves and Cooper, then go after the big payday in 2014. Liriano, with just a couple of exceptions, has pitched better than Floyd and Humber for the last 6-8 weeks. If you're KW, you take the potential turnaround of Liriano at $5-7 million over Gavin Floyd at $9.5 million every time. I hope they think $12M is worth since trying to fill that hole for 6 years has not worked. You can't have Beckham and Morel in the same line up.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) I didn't see the Tigers losing 4 of 5 after going 13-2, but that's baseball. They'll get hot again. The Sox will have a tough spot again. It's going to come down to the last 32 games, where they play 7 head-to-head. If one team goes 5-2 or better, they get the edge. To answer the question, 88-90 games. I just want the Sox to go 35-27 with at least 3 wins vs Detroit, and we're in. I think every team is good for an unrealistic winning streak for a season but those don't happen twice. Maybe a couple of their starters peaked last season. It will take one game victory than the 2nd place team to win the division. I still believe a WC berth is not an option.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 08:37 PM) I still don't know how baseball teams got in the business of awarding pitchers these mega-buck deals. The evidence is that the modern-day pitcher is going to get hurt. These millionaire owners confuse me in throwing multi year megabuck deals at pitchers. Think of them as politicians. They over spend and pass that on to the people.

Next is to bring the Twins down to earth on Monday.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 01:45 AM) From reading Soxtalk all these years, catch the ball is a very underestimated part of the winning equation. It sure makes your pitching look better on paper.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 08:58 PM) Why don't we hit doubles? 29th in MLB Cause players like Adam Dunn hit stuff over the fence. They need to stop that now so they can move up in doubles. This might be another year where they hot over 200 HR again.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) I felt like tonight he was effectively wild. Didn't think he was particularly crisp. If you watched where Flowers was setting up, and then where Humber was throwing it, he certainly was missing his location a lot. Texas is scuffling. They aren't hitting the ball particularly well right now and I think tonight we saw that. IN the same respect their pitching staff hasn't a clue how to pitch to the Sox hitters. Even the bench guys did some damage. I think it's just one of those sports anomalies where the Sox have their number.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 12:50 AM) http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...scobar-farewell Kenny Williams never seems to get a lot of respect. During his tenure as Chicago White Sox general manager, which began after the 2000 season, he's built two division winners, including the 2005 World Series champions. Maybe the most impressive aspect of his reign is that the White Sox are always competitive. They've been under .500 just three times, but two of those were 79-83. He's done this despite lacking the monster payrolls of teams such as the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies; despite only once having a pick better than 12th in the first round of the draft; despite never having a franchise superstar like Barry Bonds to build around or pitchers like Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain, like Brian Sabean has had with the Giants; despite a farm system -- in part because of ownership's unwillingness to spend in the draft and because of that lack of high picks -- that usually ranks near the bottom (Keith Law and Baseball America both ranked the White Sox system 30th heading into the season). What I like about Williams is he never gives up. He's always trying to win, to build the best team he can given his resources. He never craters, never commits to a complete teardown and embarrassing on-field product, such as the one you're seeing from the Astros, Williams' 2005 World Series opponents. This is why trading for Francisco Liriano is a typical Kenny Williams move -- high risk, perhaps mocked, but one with a potential nice payoff. Liriano's season numbers with the Twins look terrible -- 3-10, 5.31 ERA -- and his last start (against the White Sox, of all teams) was a rough, seven-run blowup. But after an awful April and temporary trip to the bullpen, Liriano pitched very well in a 10-start stint from May 30 though July 18, posting a 2.84 ERA with 77 strikeouts, 28 walks and 38 hits in 63.1 innings (a .171 average allowed). That stretch included back-to-back starts of 15 strikeouts and 10 strikeouts against the A's and Orioles on July 13 and 18, respectively. In other words, there's a good chance Liriano will outpitch Zack Greinke the rest of the way, even though this trade will receive much less fanfare and required much less in prospect value: light-hitting infielder Eduardo Escobar and left-handed pitcher Pedro Hernandez. In fact, despite the much-maligned farm system, the White Sox have received contributions from several rookies, most notably on the pitching staff with Jose Quintana, closer Addison Reed, and relievers Nate Jones and Hector Santiago. With Quintana still the big surprise in the rotation, Liriano presumably takes the place of Philip Humber, who did pitch well in a 5-2 victory over the Rangers on Saturday, but that strong start barely got his ERA under 6.00. With the hope that John Danks might return from his shoulder issues, the White Sox now have rotation depth and options in case of injury or if they want to conserve Chris Sale's innings. The White Sox also have a lot to gain from a deal such as this; with a 2.5-game lead over the Tigers, winning the division title is obviously huge. There is a reason you're seeing teams contending for a division title making moves, while teams further back in the playoff chase -- such as the American League East wild-card contenders -- are more conservative. The reward for winning one of the two wild cards is essentially half as valuable as last season, with the one-game playoff plus the possibility that you've burned your best pitcher. But the payoff for the White Sox winning the division is worth taking a chance on Liriano. It is possible that we could be getting another mental midget. If they stick with a 5 man rotation this could mean some competition and maybe Liriano of Humber get better because of it. Trading Floyd would be stupid. They should plan on Danks returning in 2013. Maybe a GM would offer more than value for Thornton. If not wait for the waiver wire.

What they are saying on the other side. http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=746977 http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx...&tid=116193 http://www.twinkietown.com/2012/7/29/31994...aguers#comments http://comments.startribune.com/comments.p...p;comments=true http://aarongleeman.com/2012/07/28/twins-t...e-sox/#comments http://twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?2513-White-Sox-get-Liriano Most activity here.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 11:34 PM) He's been sitting on the bench. And he's done a great job coming in ready to hit and hitting the ball hard and not just giving ABs away like Lillibridge did forever. In regular playing time he's going to be solid IMO. He certainly seems like a Gardenhire type of player all the way. No matter how much Liriano has struggled, Terry Ryan isn't going to trade that kind of ability to his biggest rival unless he gets something he likes in return. Since it is impossible for anyone with two eyes to like Pedro Hernandez, it's pretty clear Escobar was the key to this trade. And nobody gives two s***s what Keith Law the desk jockey and his little buddies think about Escobar's future, the trade itself should pretty much show you that the Twins scouts like Escobar, and those are the only people who matter. If all Ryan could have gotten was salary absorption and a bench player out of the deal in a hot pitching market then he certainly could have found a taker outside of the AL Central. This whole idea that all KW is doing is trading bags of balls is ridiculous. Most prospects don't work out, but for example, Zach Stewart was the key to the Scott Rolen deal, and then a key in a deal for Edwin Jackson which itself was key for the Colby Rasmus trade to go through, and then after that he's the key to the Youkilis deal. You have a former highly ranked prospect who had been drafted as a 3rd rounder and had been scouted and then traded for as a key piece by 3 other Major League organizations, all for very good players, but then Human Dunce Cap Lawrence Holmes gets on the radio and blabbers nonsense about how terrible he is and everyone laughs. Same with Escobar. No, actually Escobar is a nice little player and this deal is yet another in a long line that shows the value of defensive SS that teams believe can/will hit enough to stick. They got something for nothing. I doubt they had plans of signing Liriano. The Twins are in budget mode and aren't going to spend money on players. Removing him puts them closer to a better pick. Look at it as something similar to the Edwin Jackson trade of 2012.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:47 PM) Stan Bowman...take note, this is how you run a franchise. Maybe JR need to run the Hawks then the Bears and finish his legacy for having a world championship for every Chicago team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:30 PM) Escobar isn't a big loss. His defense at the end of games will be missed when a PR is used for Paulie. Hudson will have to spell Youk, that's pretty scary, and I have no idea who the back up SS is. Maybe its Morel. Maybe Beckham at SS, Hudson at 2B. Morel 3B, Beckham SS, Hudson 2B. Could they purchase the contract of Lllibridge? There's also the waiver wire after the deadline.