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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) It's never fun-bad when you invest thousands of dollars into a team each season. I agree. I'm starting my own personal Alex Rios boycott. If he is in the lineup, I'll watch some other team.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) BUT OZZIE AND RONGEY SAID ONE PLAYER DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!1111!!1!!!!11!! They must be newcomers to this organization. I guess they never heard of a guy named Frank Thomas.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) We have to learn how to develop. Aint gonna happen unless JR makes some changes. It's not just the GM but scouts and coaches.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) At least we can all move on with the rest of our summer now. Can anyone recommend another team to take a casual interest in? I'm finding it really tough to watch a Sox game anymore.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 11:50 PM) Feel free to comment, you'll get mostly civil discussion (I can't vouch for everyone). I think this site is losing that. Since we can't really say much more we find ways to indirectly insult certain members.

'Get out of here you Mexican.' doesn't seem like something that would come from Soxtalk. It definitely doesn't paint of positive picture and is really stupid since Ozzie is from Venezuela. That kind of comment would be at least a 6 month ban at WSI.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/MLB-inv...80311?gt1=39002 Check out the comments. He is not doing a Pete Rose and betting on baseball so what is the big deal? The guy is playing poker and that has nothing to do with baseball. As bad as I hate the Yankees and anyone playing for them I must say Bud Selig is wrong in this one. People have to live too.

What does anyone think if the rumor of LaRussa taking over in 2012 becomes a reality? What coaches are retained? I'm assuming Cooper will keep his job since Duncan is still under contract to 2013. As for Walker, you never know. He did play under Larussa for a short time. BTW there are 63000 links in google about Larussa managing the 2012 White Sox. Rumor has it Tony would be an interim and then move to the front office.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 10:52 PM) Other than : Mis-reading balls off the bat Taking incorrect routes Acquiescing to infielders on CF plays Pulling up short on the warning track (fear of the wall) Mis-timing jumps at the wall Overthrowing the cutoff man Throwing to the wrong base allowing runner to advance, ......he's doing great out there. I think they are making sure Viciedo doesn't make those mistakes and that's why he's not up here yet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) It is a real concern that is completely glossed over by the melt it down crowd. Even after a minimal move like the Jackson deal, there were already people starting to talk about White Flag trades. Because of the history of this organization, you can't sell off everything, and expect people to show up. I'm not even talking about the 10% drop. I am talking about a massive drop off. If we sold off completely the season ticket base would drop by a large percentage, as would the payroll. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to have seen a $70 to $75 million payroll in 2012. In our case that would mean Dunn, Rios, and maybe Konerko somehow. That number would death spiral until our farm system started producing. Which if you are talking about a real turnover, you would be talking about 3 to 5 years, if it worked. I couldn't trust this organization as it is now to do a rebuild in 5 years.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) I still go back & forth on it. He has had a bad year managing, but I still like him and think he can be a good manager. And it's not like KW has handed him a full deck to work with. Ozzie's worst move may be holding on to Greg Walker. There's a pattern that is too consistent with the lineup every year that indicate a change needs to be made. There's also players from other organizations that seem to get worse under Ozzie since 2007. Things aren't clicking anymore.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) Seems to me from his reaction to the first question that now he wants an extension beyond 2012. Who in their right mind would want to manage this team?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) WHY do you people argue who is worse, honestly? They are both not very good, and they both ought to be fired. Does anybody disagree that they both should be fired? Well if Walker was in this poll the thread would die on the first page.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) They both have had a couple bad years, will need some time off, but will both get jobs and have a chance to succeed. Not bad years, just bad moves. Those can have a lasting impact.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) He'd be offered a manager spot by the Marlins. That's it. No where else would TOUCH Ozzie. The Atlanta Braves wanted Ozzie per Steve Stone.

QUOTE (T R U @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) I don't even think there is any proof KW made those guys available at all.. If I had to guess, KW thought we still had a chance and had no intentions of trading any of those guys by the deadline.. of course we respond by most likely losing 6 games in a row and ending any glimmer of hope.. And poor Adam Dunn, there is about a ZERO percent chance he can end the year hitting over .200 He probably had more than you think on the trading block.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) Posada was pretty close to being in that exact same position (as Dunn) and he recovered quite nicely. But some of their big-contract pitchers like Irabu (very sad about his suicide), Contreras, Igawa, Pavano, etc., tanked almost as badly as pitchers as Dunn has offensively...more or less the equivalent. Or Lackey and Dice-K with the Red Sox. It doesn't seem to effect them as much unlike this organization.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 09:42 PM) It's not even close. Kenny Williams is by FAR worse than Ozzie. Ozzie would be hired by many teams in baseball to manage. KW would never be offered another GM job. The results of this poll are the most ridiculous of any I have seen on here. Hard to disagree with that. I hope Al Davis gives Kenny a call.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) Somewhere in the afterlife, Billy Martin was just fired because you wrote this. and rehired......

It looks like history is repeating itself no matter how you change the roster. It's August and it's time to threaten to finish in 4th place again.

QUOTE (onedude @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) If Rios is starting today, there absolutely has to be something going on with KW and Ozzie. He's basically been saying f*** you KW for the last 4 games. Possibly hoping for a waiver claim. We have no idea how much the Sox are willing to pay on the rest of his salary.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 06:40 PM) Honestly, the amount of contradiction and non-sense Ozzie has done and said this year is mind blowing. Does he really think the average Sox fan is that dumb and gonna believe everything he says? And I can't honestly believe Ozzie believes anything he is saying either. I have never been a big Ozzie fan, but never in my wildest dreams ever thought he could be this ridiculously bad as a manger. It really seems like he is doing a George Costanza and really trying to get fired. Since when is a manager, coach, GM ever honest in the media?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 06:48 AM) You could probably add AJ to the trade list except we don't have any legit prospects behind him to take his place. Have to get them back through trades of the players you already mentioned. A bad farm system forces you to over pay guys like that. I hope they commit long term to AJ and use him in the farm system. He seems like one of the few in this organization that really knows the game.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) You honestly don't believe they'd bring Ozzie back if they won the division? I am about 100% sure that he would be back. Only to fulfill the final season of his contract. That would also depend on what the Cardinals do with LaRussa. If LaRussa is available next season then I think Jerry says goodbye to Ozzie. Maybe they trade him to the Marlins. Even if the season tanks, does it really guarantee any firings? Maybe not. JR's loyalty/nepotism might be his biggest weakness. That could be the reason why this organization is in such a decline.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) I think making the playoffs would be great. There's nothing like postseason baseball. I agree. I can't wish for my favorite team to lose every game at the expense of bad management. It's unnatural. Championships are not always won by the best but who is hot at the time. Expecting the Sox to be hot in the post season is even beyond believing time travel is possible. They have yet to really do this in 2011. Who knows, they may add another player in FA if they make the post season. Everyone can dream I guess.