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I think it's the normal fan reaction that an outsider is always better than our team. Go to NFL forums, every guy that gets cut from another team there's always a thread about getting them. A GM has to realize when a team who is not very good puts a guy like this on waivers, there's a red flag here. The Sox organization isn't really a good change of scenery for players. After Swisher, players come here only to regress. It's like a curse.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2011 -> 01:22 AM) Stupid, stupid tweet by Rosenthal. Yeah, everyone in baseball knows about the issues with Peavy and Humber in the 5th/6th innings now. But he had to get something helpful back for Jackson (before the deadline), more than just getting a measly Type B sandwich pick which JUST might impact our team 3-4 years from now, but probably never. You can't fault his aggressiveness here, just getting rid of Teahen alone might have been worth it financially. All the more reason to get another bull pen arm. 6 man rotation has no effect on those two.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) he could very well be booed out of the game depending how bad it gets Maybe they could boo him out of batting practice.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) If they can make better deals now, they should do it. This team isn't going to pass the Tigers. Probably because there isn't any offered.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) This team has to win Sunday to be .500 on August 1st HORRID............put the kool-aid down. They are only a few games back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 07:47 PM) If the Sox are going to go young, Rios can only poison young players. You have to get rid of him even if it means setting the record for most money ever eaten. Oh they can poison veterans too.

When I see guys like Bruney, it reminds me how valuabel guys like Thornton and Crain really are.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 07:38 PM) There is ONE RULE about playing baseball...all the way from tee ball to majors...you play it hard. You hustle. you try. You care. If you dont do this, then you have NO BUSINESS playing. That one isn't in the books of the player's union.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) Good bullpen arms are worthless when your team sucks. We could get some good prospects for Ohman, Thornton, Crain. Someone has to fill in when 2 of your starters have trouble making it past 5 innings. Or you could just forfeit on the basis of "good bullpen arms are worthless" because the team sucks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 06:41 PM) Would they even have taken him with Granderson in CF at that time, and Ordonez in RF? It was just a theory. I know Curtis was struggling against LHP during that timeframe...but you have to think the main reason is that KW really was overconfident a change of scenery and the Sox coaching staff could "fix" him. Confident? More like foolishness. Maybe Coop can fix him. It seems like a change of scenery=regression for anyone that's not a pitcher.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 06:40 PM) Boston isn't a bad hitting team, I wouldn't count him as dead yet. What is more concerning to me is JFP's in ability to get past 70 pitches. Yep, they're pretty gogd at hitting. Someone can bunt on there too. Notice that one guy got an RBI looking for an outside pitch. Sox show no discipline at the plate. They've chased some really bad pitches. Of course they had to make their visit to mental midget kingdom. You starter gets rattle having a guy on base. Most guys on this team are very poor holding a runner except for MB. Alexi looked like a Pee Wee leaguer shying away from a bad AJ throw. This is the all in Sox I'm use to.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) Problem is...how many of the guys who are our problem bunters came up through our minors? The guys I hate seeing bunt are guys like Alexei, Beckham, Rios, AJ. Out of those, there's what, 4 months of White Sox minor league time there? AJ can bunt...oh where did he come from? He's the best base runner as far as brains. It still doesn't remove the this is and always will be a fundamentally inept organization under the current GM. They also scouted those guys before the came here.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) Philip Coke out there throwing meatballs for Detroit, 5-1 Angels. If we cannot beat this pathetic Detroit team with that awful pen we should be ashamed of ourselves. We cant beat the Twins and their staff gave up like over 30 runs in two games against the Rangers.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 05:31 PM) Tigers have 1st and 3rd and nobody out. Somehow they run into a DP with the runner out at home and second. Sox would even find that hard to do. That was something I only thought the Sox could do.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) The Sox this year made dam near all games tiered pricing, I understand Bos, NY, Cubs, but alot made no sense at all and made the games way overpriced and fans said HELL NO! I think this turned off alot of fans IMO! There's also plenty of affordable "I don't care who wins" independent semi pro games to go to around the area. I miss going to Jackhammer games. The Sox also have the highest price Spring Training tickets. I got to see the Sox at Diamondbacks this Summer. While we got some free tickets, it was 7th row from the field and those were only $36. Their concessions have value items as well.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 12:10 PM) Most White Sox fans probably don't even realize our streak vs. the Red Sox is that good, but they have no trouble reciting by memory how terrible we are vs. the Twins. I know you think they are different. The Red Sox are a much better team than the Twins, and it's very surprising we've had that level of success over 16 games vs. them. I could care less if they ever beat the Twins if they win the division. Every pro sports team has an opponent that owns them. Not beating the Twins is always magnified because the Sox squander other opportunities where the games vs. the Twins become too important. They've repeated this pattern under two managers.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:46 PM) I am sure I am going to take heat from Dick Allen on this, but isn't it a strike against Walker regarding the development of Beckham and Morel? I mean, BOTH of those guys came up hitting the ball with authority before Walk had a chance to get inside their head. I think people have a habit of forgetting what a big leap it is from the minors to the majors. It is also hard to ignore that there is a pattern under Walker of poor plate discipline.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 08:44 AM) I wonder how many Sox fans have personally written to Brooks Boyer on this issue? I've just never understood why they weren't AT LEAST a BIT more flexible with those upper deck seats...seems they're just so set in their ways with their price points/cost-benefit analysis. They used to have good Sunday "family/kids" day crowds. Do they still do those Pepsi half-price promos? Why don't they try doing 2 for 1 beer specials for those sitting in the upper deck? Free promo item if you are in the first 3-5000 upper deck fans? Or hot dog and a Large Coke for $5.00? There has to be some good ideas out there that could be implemented. OH, WEATHER. Forgot that convenient excuse. http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance Currently 19th. I don't get how we're behind Cincinnati, Houston and San Diego, especially those last 2. I guess the Reds had an increase based on their 2010 season and increased 2011 season ticket sales, because they've played a LOT like the White Sox this year. http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/sort/allAvg We're also 19th in overall attendance, home and away combined. I'd love to see our overall ticket/parking/souvenir/food sales revenues at 25,000 per game versus 40,000 in Minnesota. To see how far we actually trail them in this one area. We're 5,000 per game behind the Tigers. I would think the weather does play a role but some of the teams you mentioned have the same climate. The economy has a lot to do with it. You wonder at what point the owners are going to admit that when it comes to free agency. White Sox baseball is way over priced. I don't think it has as much to do with the quality on the field as the pricing.

Isn't Jackson a Boras client? I wouldn't get too attached to Viciedo knowing the Sox history with a Boras client.

QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) If you are going to bunt then make sure the guy bunting can bunt. Coaching some in this area might help. How about making sure the pitchers hold on base runners better? This can also be done with coaching. Hold the coaches involved responsible for preparing the players to execute. Coaching and preperation are not so good. How much of this is neglected in the minors? Executing fundamentals should exist before coming to the majors. I think it's evident that this was never a priority to Kenny. The minors could use some overhaul. That is Kenny's responsibility.

So how did De Aza do today?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 10:42 PM) That seems a little harsh doesn't it? Unless he's a Yankee fan that finally came out of the closet.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:52 AM) Hawk is a polarizing figure to be sure. There's boatloads to criticize, with umpiring complaints at the top of the list for me. However, if you have the Extra Innings package or you're a frequent traveller to other MLB towns, you may realize that he's rather good at his job from an entertainment standpoint. There's SO much blandness out there it's numbing. That was real evident in the 2005 post season. After that I didn't know how terrible Chris Berman is. Outside of making up silly names, there is nothing to him at all.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) Talent from a losing organization is actually a great deal to make. We dealt for mediocrity from a losing organization, therein lies the problem. Turns out he wasn't even mediocre, he was just plain bad. Not for this organization. They tend to hold on to them much longer to do more damage. Then you get mental midgets who can't react to pressure because they really nothing to play for after ASB.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:02 AM) I'm sure he would like something, but I also think he would be thrilled to be rid of him for no cost too. If by some chance LaRussa is manager, Kenny will miss Ozzie. There will be more friction between KW &TL. Be careful for what you wish for.