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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2432494:date=Jul 14, 2011 -> 05:33 PM:name=kitekrazy)-->QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) <!--quotec-->I'm starting to believe Viciedo is being shopped around. He's a Boras client. Then shop him a year or two before he reaches free agency if Boras is still his agent and he won't sign a long-term deal. There is absolutely no reason to shop him right now. He's going to make between $1 - 2 million a year in each of the next three seasons and most likely being extremely productive. I don't know what you think you'll get for him that will be of equal or greater value. Prospects like Viciedo just don't get moved very often anymore, because they are just too damn valuable. He could be just as valuable right now in the minors.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) If someone would take on the contracts of Dunn and Rios, regardless of whether the Sox have immediate replacements for them, the Sox should do that solely to rid themselves of the contracts, because in the event of a total rebuild, that money will be extremely useful. Hopefully there's another KW out there. I would at least wait til 2012 on Dunn.

Hopefully Al Davis will give Kenny a call and we can see what Hahn can do.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) And Daniels isn't going to watch another "young John Danks" traded to the White Sox again. He'll be much more careful about any young pitching they would part with in a possible trade. Note to Kenny.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 08:00 AM) Clearing $18 million of the money remaining on Rios's deal would be a much bigger priority to me than Morel playing every day in the bigs. That task has to be close to impossible.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) Remember, this is the GM who somehow pulled a rabbit out of his hat and turned that 2007 team into the 2008 division champions. Great. So far it looks like the 2011 team can turn into the 2007 team. If that's any reason to continue with Kenny it's beyond weak.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Detroit has been the biggest choke artist in baseball the last 5 years or so. Good point.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Define hard sell. If you're proposing a full rebuild, then I think that's a huge mistake. I'm down for a couple moves, such as trading Jackson and Quentin, but I don't think we're that far off from competing next year. I think anything beyond a few tweaks is a huge mistake. What team should we be scared of in 2012? Not saying we'll be the favorite, but I don't see any team in the division who's going to be dominant. I still think you try to make one more run at it in 2012 before you even consider rebuilding. They can't rebuild with the current GM and probably others in this organization.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Making no changes at all is KW's last attempt at making himself look good. I'd almost prefer that. With have two starters injured, trading Jackson may not be a good idea. Hopefully a NL team in a race that has an overstock of prospects at a certain position could use Juan Pierre. I'm starting to believe Viciedo is being shopped around. He's a Boras client.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) Whether we're in it or not, we're a stronger team with Viciedo in the starting lineup everyday. Between LF, RF, and DH, he should be able to start 5 - 6 games a week. There is no logical reason whatsoever to not bring him up now that it won't cost us a service year. I read somewhere were someone asked what Vic could do to get better and the reply was dump Boras as his agent. So on that I could see that if some organization offered a too good of a deal to be true for him Kenny pulls the trigger.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) You were definitley right. Rios has proven to me to be one of the laziest players i have every seen in a white sox uniform. I would love to dump him some how. But we would likely have to eat half the salary. Kenny's always a sucker for physical skills and think this organization can fix their mental aspect. I wouldn't be surprised if they draft them this way too. I have hopes Al Davis will give Kenny a call and then there could be trade negotiations where we could get a SS (strong safety) for Kenny.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) You may not remember, but the person on this site who was the strongest advocate of trading Rios at the end of May last year was me. I shut up mid-June because I realized we weren't going to be selling anyone, but it's not the first time I've written this. Isn't it rare tho in baseball for trade to be made that early?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:21 PM) Hmm. I wonder what that list looks like. I'm bettin Kenny is waiting for the right deal for Danks.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) <!--quoteo(post=2431292:date=Jul 13, 2011 -> 07:47 AM:name=Balta1701)-->QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 07:47 AM) <!--quotec-->Even if we wanted to move Adam Dunn somewhere in the field...we legitimately have no where to put him. We're still searching for a leadoff replacement for Pierre who will have to be put somewhere, we've got Viciedo ready to break in, and Lillibridge has flat out earned more playing time than he's gotten. All I'm saying is if Dunn is struggling because he can't handle DHing, then you must start thinking outside the box. We can't have a $14 million/year DH that can't hit. If playing the field were to change that, then you have to consider moving him to LF. His defense would be awful, but you could conceivably get more value out of him if moving from DH allowed him to start hitting than what we are getting now. Now, I don't think his problems are related to DHing specifically, but if he continues to struggle into next year, then that becomes a more realistic possibility. And if that there were to happen, he becomes valueless and unmoveable, so you'd have to try something drastic. Let's just hope he has a good second half and this will not be an issue again. That really doesn't sound so bad. Vic would probably be comfortable in the DH spot.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Rasmus for Rios, Jackson, and the Goose Island Brewery...oh, wait Only if the Goose Island Brewery can be located in the West. Goose Island isn't available in the Phoenix area.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) How many teams are going to want our overpaid terrible players with long contracts? You're making it sound like there's a demand for Rios, Peavy and Pierre. I wish people wouldn't waste font bringing up those names. Accept that the Sox are stuck with them. Eventually someone is going to lose their civility over this.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) I don't know if Jackson is a headcase...I think his biggest problem is the lack of a third remotely effective pitch. He's all 2 pitches...fastball slider. If both of those pitches are on 100% of the time, then he's near unhittable. If either of those pitches isn't giving him control that day though, then he's rapidly a 1-pitch pitcher or worse. He can still win some of those games because 1 of those pitches is a 96 mph fastball, but he has to throw a lot of pitches to win a game like that if he doesn't have the slider. Throw in one more pitch that comes in the low to mid 80's, even if it's not hugely effective every game, and suddenly even on days where he has no control over the slider, he can keep people off balance by changing velocity. Or, similarly, get him to do a better job of changing up the velocity on his fastball. Something. He just doesn't have the repertoire needed to be an everyday starter unless his 2 pitches are there all the time. I think he takes too much time on the mound. There's no rhythm and it allows your fielders to fall asleep.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Should the Braves have fired Bobby Cox after so many playoff flameouts? How about Scocia (I probably spelled that wrong)? I think there's something to be said about consistently getting to October every year. In the NBA, making the playoffs is nowhere near as significant unless you're a top 4 seed. In the NFL, you see 9-7 teams make the playoffs all the time. In baseball, if you can survive a 162 game marathon, 9.5 times out of 10, you were deserving. To do that year after year, yeah, I'd say you're doing something right. The point is those things become complacent where upper management decides that person can't take the team to the next level. Fans of consistent winning teams demand higher expectations than just making the post season. Players and coaches get the label, "can't win the big one". That's how Twin fans label their organization.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) Milkman - just one question. Should Gardenhire be fired if the Twins win the division and get swept? Maybe people here don't really know what it's like on their side of the fence. They believe Mauer is a bad contract. Gardy can't win in the post season, ect. I think their biggest fans are Hawk and Ozzie. I guess you have to be fan of a time that makes the post season every year and know they aren't going to win the whole thing. Last year was the first time I didn't watch the Colts do another one and done. I knew they weren't good enough and got there being in a bad division. I think fans get desensitized when their team can only win divisions. If the Twins win the division this year, I don't think their fans will be that excited. After their one and done they'll want a new GM, new manager and Mauer traded.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) It's management's responsibility to WIN, not cover your ass on bad signings and bad trades or playing the blame game. You would think so but it doesn't always happen that way.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) PK got a lot of cheers in Arizona. Q got some too. Funny quote from Rosenbloom Konerko, Carlos Quentin and Starlin Castro¿ combined to go 0-4, make an error, get thrown out at the plate, and make the last out of the All-Star Game with a teammate on third. Doesn’t matter where you play, it’s still Chicago baseball.

I guess the question for me is how big of a risk is it to bench Rios for good? Who replaces him? Is it by a committee thing? Emotionally you think "anyone's" better but last week Lillibridge cost them a game by allowing a guy to score. I think this decision lies with Kenny. Whatever Kenny wants to do I don't see Ozzie disagreeing. Maybe they are hoping from some naive GM by the trade deadline.

There's this one on WSI that has Brian Anderson and a Dolphin. I never did why what was the meaning of it. It's hilarious.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) I hate the canned music between innings. Bring back the organist. They also think every enjoys hip-hip or rap.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) When people talk about their fantasy team while at the game. Give it a rest. Nobody cares. And on leaving your seat during an inning, if you can do it between an AB, it's ok. Just make it quick. So funny. I can't stand fantasy sports. I always say it's for fans who can't deal with their favorite team's reality. Which reminds me I should probably get a start on this real soon.