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QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 11:36 PM) In regard to the original post can someone tell me what did Gammons say? Ozzie was going to be fired.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) Just put Viceido in as manager and then he can make de focking lineups. How about making Walker the manager and they would have to get a new hitting coach.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) We all heard about what Gammons said today about Oz being fired during the break. Here are 2 tweets from Cowley just now: It's not news that everytime LaRussa's contract was up Reinsdorf was always reaching out to LaRussa.

2010 could've won with Thome 2011 could've won without Ozzie Those are the themes of Sox Talk which we can't seem to move from. At some point you have to yawn. I got a good laugh at this. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,6680701.story "E-mailer Jack Lucas makes some interesting connections in a note he sent after I took a look back at the White Sox’s waiver claim of Alex Rios. He traces the current problems to Nov. 25, 2005, when Ken Williams traded Aaron Rowand to Philadelphia for Jim Thome. He says, “Rios is the by-product of the terrible (Nick) Swisher trade, when Kenny reached to try and fill the then Sox gaping hole in CF. Ironically, Swisher's failure ultimately led to the (Adam) Dunn signing -- as Swisher could have provided the left handed middle of the lineup bat that the Sox so desperately needed. So the snowball started with the exit of Aaron Rowand has turned into an avalanche.’’

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 08:40 PM) If he trades Viciedo this year, there will be a f***ing riot. That would depend on what you got for him.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) I really want to see what this team can do with a different vibe in the clubhouse and in the dugout. I'm not sure which I'd prefer more...a numbers guy or a hard ass. A hard ass is nothing but a noise maker in a sport of guaranteed contracts.

Looking at the stats, the Twins pen sure looks awful.

You have to assume the bunt was sucessful.

Wow! Thome doing an Adam Dunn impersonation.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) Don't agree with that Same here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Aka Piranhas. Viciedo should be converted to catcher, lol. He has the frame and arm for it. That is one position in baseball that has really had a demise in talent. I doubt any kid wants to be one. Long term plans for Mauer are getting him out of that spot.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) Let's see. Miami, or Chicago? Miami. Marlins, or the Sox? Tie. Their young guys (Morrison, Hanley), or the Sox (Beckham, Sale, Morel)? Florida. Loria and Hill, or KW? Loria and Hill. Can you blame him? I wouldn't want to manage this team either. Playing the Twins is always a nightmare.

I can't see the game. How did the Twins get another run?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) It's nuts, isn't it? Can't believe we're not 20 games out of contention with so many players just not showing up this season. That's the MO for the Sox this century. Opportunities squandered.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) We keep having the same crappy ABs and approaches at the plate. It's hard to remember when they didn't unless the pitcher is throwin meatballs. Then they get tired from swinging the bat so hard and don't produce anymore.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) They need to have that +/- stat for baseball like they do with basketball and hockey. That will be a stat that Kenny ignores.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Are we mentally handicapped? Yep.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) Now we watch a real team hit with runners in scoring position. Yep, Twin fans say that about the 2nd week of October when the opponent is batting.

Maybe it's time to turn the whole lineup into switch hitters.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) ESPN's policy is that you must have two sources on any piece of information before they'll report it. Too bad they don't follow it. They are the NY/LA Times of the sporting world.

QUOTE (elgonzo4sox @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) I think it's more than just interesting. I think it's a clue to one of the major problems with this team: we don't have enough players who can perform under pressure - the pressure that comes from playing on a big money big market team with widely stated playoff aspirations. PK, AJ, MB are all proven winners who've done it here in Chicago. Dunn has spent his entire MLB career playing on second-division NL teams. Rios played on Toronto, a perennial also-ran behind the Yankees and Red Sox - and I wouldn't exactly call Toronto a rabid baseball town. Pressure affects all professional sports but especially the high skill sports: baseball and golf. It doesn't take much to interfere with a swing or a pitched ball. It's one thing to hit 40 home runs on a last place NL team playing out the string - it's an entirely different thing to do it on a team in a pennant race. It's one thing to sink a six foot putt with your three buddies during your weekly Saturday morning game - it's an entirely different thing to do it on the 72nd hole of the Masters to take home the green jacket. I think that's a good point. I never understood it when Kenny started collecting guys from the Royals. Plus I think the owners need to wise up and not let the players union run everything. Or should I say ruin? It's a great set up for players like Rios.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) But I still will point to KW being the biggest culprit in the organization. When you get guys like Rios and rented Manny, I think it tells other players there are few consequences. After awhile he has to believe what other organizations believe about players instead of Coop fixing them temporarily. No more million dollar arms with the ten cent brain. As for Ozzie, the rest of the baseball world sees him as a better manager than the fans. He has a NL philosophy while Kenny still has the steroid era AL philosophy. Ozzie's philosophy will not work with the current players. I think he really wants out of this organization and stays because of Reinsdorf. As for Walker I don't know much blame he should take. The Sox have some of the worst plate discipline. We see this even with guys brought up from the farm. So how much can you blame Walker vs. the rest of the organization? If you look at players brought up thru the system like Brain Anderson, Josh Fields, to name a few, it says your scouting and development needs to do a much better job. The farm system has gotten worse under Kenny and trades since 2007 are terrible. He's got to go.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Off topic somewhat, but that Gammons expects Guillen to be fired at the break and there to be nary a word from a Sox beat writer is yet another example of how bad the Sox beat writers are. I find anyone's credibility that works for ESPN to be zilch, nada. Even Gammon. They are a 24 hour network so they have to create news. It's worse during the NFL season.

Might get embarrassed on Nat'l TV.

A resignation would suit me.