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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) Has Ozzie ever done anything similar with Rios for his apparent lack of hustle. Maybe he doesn't want to wear himself out since he probably feels like he's playing center and left with Pierre out there.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) 2.) I call for his firing cause this is the first year he's deserved to be canned by traditional baseball standards. High payroll, all-in, minimal results. Plenty of managers should or should have been fired by those standards. Those are Yankee fan standards. Anything short of a WS is an epic failure.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:27 AM) Freeing up their contracts is probably better than any prospects you would get for Konerko. I don't trust this organization with prospects either.

So what happens if Vic isn't that stud immediately at the major league level? Do you blame Walker? I'm a little cautious when it comes to believing a player in AAA is the answer to their problems.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) Pierre and Omar are definitely cures for insomnia. Omar is fine when he's a super utility guy. Try to sit through a game when Jackson is on the mound.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) He better get creative cause this team blows. He's the reason why this team blows.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 09:27 PM) Uh-oh, you had to go and do this. But to answer your question, I would say that if you can get an unbelievable package in return, by all means yes. In this day and age though, most organizations are very protective of their young talent. These days, managing payroll is just as important as winning. But your thought process is correct. We desperately need to rebuild this organization and we are not going to do it by trading away our garbage (Pierre, Teahen and Rios). When I think of rebuilding this organization it means get better scouting and coaching.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:59 PM) This was just one terrible baseball team beating a bad baseball team. Really nothing appealing about these teams or this series if you think about it. No more significant than the Royals playing the Pirates. Except if you watched those two teams at you'd see better young talent. Chicago baseball is so depressing. Screw Ozzie, screw Floyd, screw Dunn, and screw this boring, underachieving, sleepy, pile of garbage they call the Chicago White Sox. Have a nice night. To me it sounds like 4 groups of fans who have no hope.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) We're all back for more. But we stink this year. If there is a fire sale they will stink for many years.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:40 PM) There is a second half to this season and things can turn around quickly I'm sure people believe that in Minn. much more than they do in Chicago.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:20 PM) Oh its logical for him. Each year he burns the farm down to go for his small percentage all in he kills the franchise a bit more for long term success. The economics of a medicore team, poor attendance, and a high payroll with large unmoveable contracts turns us into the cubs for a few years. I think we are already there.

QUOTE (almagest @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:12 PM) Mostly I think it's that the Cubs have an awful offense. The trademark of a Chicago baseball team.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) Teahen should never, ever start a game, especially at 3B. #1 Reason why I think Williams should be gone.

I tend to agree with Rongey on this. You see it in other sports. There's no logic in the economic world of sports, especially baseball.

QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ Jun 19, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) I don't want to know where we would be without PK. I'm sure the DBs would like him. He seems to hit well there.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) The MLB first year player draft began in 1965. Prior to 1965, there was open free agency for high school and college players. So, the biggest boys got the best players - the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, and Cards. Veeck, known for his frugality, couldn't really get the top young guys prior to '65, either. Veeck owned the team the second time from 1976-1980. Steve Trout (1976 #10) and Harold Baines (1977 #1) were good. No pick in 1978, Steve Buechele (1979 #9 - Did not sign) Rick Seilheimer (1979 compensation), and Cecil Espy (1980 #8) really weren't. Ross Baumgarten (1977 20th rnd), and Britt Burns (1978 third rnd) are the only other non 1st rnd draft picks from 1976-1980 that even sniffed the roster as a member of the Sox. I don't see how this is better than what KW has done. Try the next decade. Veeck set that up.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:19 PM) If Kenny traded Viciedo SoxTalk would blow up, literally Unless they got someone like Pujols with a contract extension.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) The longer he stays in AAA, the more he looks like a trade chit when Kenny goes all in. Logic would have him up by now. The only reason to keep him down pounding the crap out of the ball is to max his value without risking damaging it by bringing him up. Maybe they want to be more careful handling this guy. Frank Thomas believed Beckham was brought up too soon, maybe Sale would be better off in the minors now. Maybe they don't want to make the same mistake with Vic.

If you look at it from an economic view the trade was bad. You could still have Hudson while Jackson could be gone next season. On the other side of the fence, Diamond backs fans are never at ease with Hudson on the mound because he gets rocked early. I must admit it was funny watching Hudson crush that ball.

QUOTE (Andrew @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 12:35 AM) Well, I see Ozzie is still not fired and we still have Walker teaching people how not to hit when there's RISP, or how to bunt (which is gay as s*** anyway and should be easy), or pretty much anything that would be effective in an offensive capacity (opposite field hits, sac flies, etc.) Hardest working "coach" in baseball, though (per Ozzie), so more of the same. And by same, I mean losing with a "1" on the scoreboard. We must lead ALL of MLB with that s***. Go Sox - It's the players, not the coaches, etc.... yeah, right, whatever. Same ole s*** - I'll check in again in 2 more months to point out the same problems. Replace "Ozzie" with "Gardenhire" and this is what many Twins fans have wrote in the 2nd week of October with the addition of Mauer being a waste of money.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) thats not how it works in the big leagues, the only realistic option we can hope for is Pierre either traded, or we package Teahen in a deal with Edwin or another of our starting pitchers, we bench Pierre for the rest of the year, and Viciedo is our new LF No way in hell this team flat out releases Pierre Unfortunately not all GMs are naive unless it's garbage for garbage. The difference here is that's very expensive garbage.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) How hard is it to get rid of Pierre? You tell him to pack up his s*** and have security escort him out. I have this theory that in professional sports that have guaranteed contracts, salary has a lot to do with playing time. Their economic rule is more important that winning. That's probably why you will never see Rios benched for any considerable time. You see it in the NFL with 1st round busts always existing and playing to the length of their contract that are not QBs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) Just like how if the Sox lose, I hope Pierre goes 0-5, I'm of the opinion that if the Sox aren't going to make the playoffs, I'd rather they win 65 games and get a top 3 pick and get Ozzie out of here. Would you really trust this organization with a top 3 pick?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 09:03 AM) Excellent post caulfield. Werd!

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Excellent post! I still don't get how you can blame KW for Rios, Dunn and Beckham. He's not out there swinging the bat. And there was so much enthusiam on this board when Dunn was signed. People wanted to kiss KW's pinky ring. Now some of those same people want him fired. Other find it easy to blame Kenny. Everyone knows the book on Rios, so he gambled. As for Beckham, he might have benefited with more time in the minors. He may have been brought up too soon because of the failed Josh Field experiment. You have to wonder if having Sale in the pen is more harmful to his career than spending some time in the minors.