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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) Just looking at the Twins lineup, if Morneau can return healthy next season, there's no reason they cannot win 95-100 games again. Just absurd depth throughout with a few superstars around them. There pitching needs to improve along with it. They've got some money now for next season. A good farm and a few bucks will make them tough to beat. I still think they will be one and done if their first opponent is the Yankees.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:20 PM) Well scoring only 92 runs in April might of had a slight hand in some of our losses. Yep, but pitching and D was bad. The pen was the only group that showed up. I'm beginning to believe getting guys from the NL will not improve an AL team overnight. They have to make a big adjustment to facing pitchers they're not familiar with. A NL pitcher like Peavy is not use to facing a league where one division will have more hitters than the entire NL. While Jackson blows that theory, Hudson looks really good pitching in the NL. Maybe Kenny should stay away from getting NL players and the Royals.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) forgive my inaccuracy Nice try. Next.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) I love the fact he led us to the WS title, but he's done nothing this season to deserve the axe. Nothing. Shhh...you sound rational. It's all Ozzie's fault. Repeat 3 times. (It's all Ozzie's fault.) (It's all Ozzie's fault.) (It's all Ozzie's fault.) Then repeat 5 times... (It's all Kotsay's fault.) (It's all Kotsay's fault.) (It's all Kotsay's fault.) (It's all Kotsay's fault.) (It's all Kotsay's fault.) Then you'll start to fit in.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) And yet we had our surge in June and July, two of the hottest months when the park played smallest and we hit a lot of homers. The offensive numbers, overall, aren't terrible at all, and probably better than most of us predicted. It has been the bullpen and more recently again the starting pitching that has really been the reason for our downfall...along with a tougher schedule and the fact that the Twins have been playing out of their minds without Morneau for the second year in a row down the final stretch. Do tell. Some are blind to this while hugging their favorite scapegoats.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) The team was built poorly. They were built on the idea that we could recreate the 2005 pitching staff and be lights out and win 3-2 games all year long. This is not the NL. We play in the American League and in a stadium that plays like a bandbox in the summer. We took a valuable position and put two bench players and made it into a mess. Its the typical Ozzie formula, take a crappy player that should be the last man on the bench and overuse him. The first two months when we had a horrible horrible offense might of been mitigated a bit if we say actually had 9 hitters up there instead of 8 and a pitcher. Nice try. The pitching sucked. When that sucks along with defense (2 years in a row, starting 3rd baseman loses job)nothing can overcome that. Next.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:05 PM) Yeah, the Tigers were chased down both times by the Twins, but I was talking about the 2008 and 2009 seasons specifically. The weird thing is that most Tigers fans consider the White Sox to be their biggest rivalry, and yet the Twins have been the much better club. Probably because the Sox have owned them from time to time.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:05 PM) You don't know that. If we got off to a better start this year, especially offensively. we would have had a lot more breathing room. Don't forget Kotsay's horrible ability to hit with RISP and the rally killing that resulted. Wrong again. Next.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) The last two years, of all the teams leading their divisions at the All-Star break, I think it was only the Tigers in 2009 and the D-Backs in 2008 who didn't make the playoffs (10/12 teams eventually made it or at least got the Wild Card). Add the White Sox to the casualty list. Weren't the Tigers leading also in 2006?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:56 PM) Well Ozzie was the one who wanted to play NL style in his personal 2003 wayback machine. Too bad we play in the AL and have a position called Designated Hitter that he decided to put a few bench players in. But hey, our players are well rested for October tee time. You can't blame the season on lack of a DH. This team was built on pitching and has been the most disappointing group. There's no DH on the planet that can over come that.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:52 PM) Not the worst season ever, but one of the most disappointing and frustrating...in recent years anyway. I don't know why. Preseason predictions had this team finishing 3rd or 4th.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:50 PM) He's not bad at all. It just seems like he's hit his ceiling. But the problem is it seems as if he wants to get paid like a #1 or #2. He's not even a top 5 left-handed, let a lone top 15-20 or so pitcher overall, in baseball. and keep from doing Javy Vasquez impressions when facing the Twins..more big game instead of big lame

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:47 PM) I would disagree. Why the f*** would we fire Ozzie over this? Because people think this is the worst season ever and it's all Ozzie and Kotsay's fault.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) That Sox righty hitters have one hit to left field all day, and that if you keep trying to pull the ball vs Duensing, you're going to have no chance. That's been going on forever. There must be a sign somewhere at the Cell that says"I dare ya to try to pull it out of here. I dare ya".

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) That makes no sense unless the "rebuilding" means being the Royals the next 10 years. Kenny already started when he got Teahan.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) Yay, finally someone has the balls to question the Sox approach on offense, and it's Hawk of all people. What did he say?

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) They've made the playoffs two out of the last 10 years? The Twins have been there 6 times in that span. Also the cornerstone players Konerko and Buerhle were drafted by Schueler. They don't have a World Series to show for it. Do you think Twin fans are content with that?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:55 PM) They will both stay as long as Jerry Reinsdorf is the owner. If anyone moves on my guess it is Kenny but only to a higher position in the org. They will most likely both be in their usual spots come 2011 If people were more rational about it neither one deserves to lose their job. This current team is closer to winning 90 than losing 90. Pitching was suppose top be the strength of this team was a failure at the beginning and in August. Last night was another example. Sure the hitting failed in the clutch at times but so did Danks when he had the lead late in the game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:59 PM) You've got to remember there though...the GM did exactly what he was supposed to do at the time...his assignment was to make that team competitive for the playoffs so that it could be sold as a playoff-competitive team by the Tribune Company. He did his job for his employer. and he was still bad at it....

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:05 AM) I love Ozzie and like KW but I hope Jerry takes them both in an office after the season and rips them a new one. Why? In the end it's players on the field that have determined the outcome.

QUOTE (elgonzo4sox @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:49 AM) I'm with you, Chet. Anyone who wants to watch a major-market MLB team that is going through a major rebuilding phase by focusing on youngsters (because they can't/won't spend money on free agents because the owner broke the bank acquiring the team) can see one right here in Chicago, eight miles north of The Cell. There are plenty of tickets available... They did spend money and unfortunately they are stuck with bad contracts. Yet they need the balls to fire the GM who dug that hole.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 11:25 AM) I vote for using the Yankees model. Just outspend everyone and guarantee a playoff berth every season. Reinsdorf show flashes of doing that in the past but it never worked out for him.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:24 PM) Eh, it was a move that didn't pay off. I'm happy for trying. I think alot of it has to do with getting re-acclimated with his swing and timing. JMO, but oh well. Plus heading back to the AL probably isn't so easy either.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:31 PM) It would be nice once in a while to come out of the gate stronger which would also pump up the players a bit more too. That was part of the problem. You can't compete to be one of the worst teams in baseball at the beginning of the year and climb to the top of the division. You are always playing catchup. Few have done it. Your pen can't implode in August either. The Twins have the best record since ASB.

QUOTE (daggins @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:06 AM) Coming into the season the Indians had a top 5 farm system and were expected by many to be an average team with lots of young breakout talent. That didn't happen, and now they look mired in a mess of low attendance and underachieving youth. Rebuilding doesn't work if you don't have a smart, future-oriented FO (as well as a lot of luck). The Rays win because they had loads of high draft positions and a smart, analytical FO making moves when necessary. You have to draft well. There's many bad teams who always have high picks and they still lose. You have to start out with good scouts.