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QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:36 AM) No matter who was managing the White Sox, we would still kick the NL's ass, and our team would still be constructed with holes in it because our GM tells us we have to live with choices like Mark Kotsay for budgetary reasons. Glad to see someone got the memo realizing this isn't Ozzie's team.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) He's terrible at bunting You must be thinking of Thome. IF Pierre was bad at bunting his lifetime average would be much lower.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:24 PM) Either way, if he hits a grounder in that situation on a hit and run, it's most likely going to get the runner to second anyways. And if he gets lucky and finds a hole, you have first and third, nobody out. I'd rather have that than just bunting in that situation. Plus, you don't have to worry about Pierre not making contact or a strike 'em out throw 'em out because Pierre makes lots of contact and rarely strikes out. You play to your players' advantages. Which is why I woudl have him bunt. That is his advantage.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) They draft well and develop well. And when someone gets hurt, they plug in someone else and not miss a beat. This where I think the Sox tend to fail. They do well taking some other system's talent.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) Well the hit and run will most likely avoid a DP since he hits the ball on the ground 55% of the time... That's why I would rather have him bunt. That would be the only player on the team I would rather have bunt.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) but i'd argue that a more tactical manager could probably be getting a hell of a lot more production out of them then Ozzie is. How so?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:07 PM) I didn't get the whole bunting with Pierre thing after Perry had just given up a homer and a 4 pitch walk. At least try a hit and run. I do. People think Pierre is too fast to hit into a DP. He doesn't hit the ball hard and he doesn't hit liners. He's hit into DPs. He's good at bunting and he may have a better chance of getting on base with a bunt as well.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 05:04 PM) Just amazing that Ozzie continues to play for one run when they're playing a softball game in this bandbox. I don't think there is win win situation which way Ozzie goes since you have players with poor plate discipline.

QUOTE (BearingPro @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:48 PM) It's strange how the Sox tanked right after the trading deadline passed. No. When they got Freddy, they still tanked.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) The Sox went into this season with 6-7 legitimate MLB hitters available. The Twins went in with 10-11. That helped. What about the previous years?

QUOTE (BearingPro @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:48 PM) It's strange how the Sox tanked right after the trading deadline passed. KW should have followed his instincts and made a big move. Minnesota is far and away a better run franchise, from the front office to the field and with the extra cash they are raking in from the increased attendance, the Sox will be hard pressed to compete going forward. No doubt Kenny tried. Fans like to believe opposing GMs are naive in willing to give up an Adam Dunn. Maybe the price was too high without totally depleting the farm or removing a key piece on the current team. I would like to see the Sox model what the Twins and Rays are doing but I feel KW may need to go for that to happen. Veeck knew the only way to improve the franchise on a small budget was to invest it in scouting. An extra bat may have helped to win the division but still lacks talent to win the World Series.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:46 PM) Something that's frustrating is that our pitchers didn't take advantage of the shadows. With shadows that bad, no way a hitter can pick up the spin of an offspeed pitch. Instead, Castro kept calling for fastball after fastball. It's no surprise that Alexei missed Perry's slider by a foot, as there's no way anyone could have seen that pitch. All of the damage the last 2 innings by either team was done against fastballs. That could be a reason why AJ is valueable. No matter how hard a ball comes in, if it's in a hitter's sweet spot, they'll nail it.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:31 PM) Yes, but they did get him off the hook and the pren blew it I doubt Freddy would have given up 13 runs if he went all the way.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) The only thing that would be the perfect topper to this game would be Jenks coming in now and getting booed? Hopefully they're not saying goodbye to the 2010 season. Everything was going great until Jenks blew that final game in the first series after the break in Minnesota. That will go down as the key game, the Mariners' loss when Vizquel keyed the comeback, losing 3/4 to the Orioles...not being able to beat the Twins 2/3 at USCF. The supposed strength of the White Sox, relief pitching, has abandoned them at the worst possible time. At least it doesn't feel like 2003 when we had the best team in baseball arguably. We're far from that. You can go back to the beginning of the season when they couldn't hit, field or pitch. That inedible winning streak put them back in it. I still can't believe that happened. Not to mention getting owned by Cleveland and KC.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:25 PM) Pena's ERA going to be over 5.50 after this inning. Can't wait until he's out of this organization, and we get an actual long man. I wouldn't be too sure. The organization really believes in this guy. I wanted him gone last year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:23 PM) Thanks for destroying any motivation the fans have for coming out the rest of the season. Well, the Yankees and Red Sox fans can at least give us some additional revenue for our payroll, that's about the extent of it. We've seen this before and it wasn't under the same manager.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) That's your argument for why Thome wouldn't help this team. Yes. Get over it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:18 PM) Cross Pena off the list for next year too. He's nothing but DJ Carraso with better stuff. Sure, he's had 2-3 nice outings when he went long and saved us, but he hasn't done us any favors recently. I'm actually thinking we would be better off with Brandon Allen fo 2011. I never understood the Pena envy. He was involved in last year's string of losses in clutch time.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:18 PM) is there someone that isnt falling apart in our pen? jeeze lol Maybe Linebrink? Only if he gives up 2 runs. Where's the fire Coops thread?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) No, his forte was the 3 run home run that wins games 4-2. Like...for the Twins today. Yawn. Nice try.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:11 PM) Ozzie has to learn Alexei can't always get the job done. I really hate giving up outs. He probably has the worst plate discipline on the team.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) Now, the better question is can we get a clutch hit in the 8th or 9th inning? Hasn't been our strength the last 10 days. Wasn't that our beloved Thome's forte? Oh wait....it wasn't.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:08 PM) No its that you can't just pitch Thornton every f***ing inning of every game. Hell, he's been shaky lately anyway. You put wayyyy too much on Ozzie rather than players playing like s***. Oh please don't induce any logic into this.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) I know I said earlier in this thread that I don't think Putz should pitch back to back games anymore. After further evaluation, I think we should shut him down until the end of the regular season. If he doesn't get the necessary rest to get his arm strength back, he's no good to us in the playoffs. This is the only reply I can think of.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 04:02 PM) yea so he cant hit now he cant field? and then you have people like cowley,for example, that said oh, how can we get dunn,etc because what would you do with guys like jones and kotsay, right.......this is depressing I would take that as Jone and Kotsay are hard to dump on other teams.