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QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 21, 2015 -> 07:24 PM) I would love Jerry to sell and KW gone and have a new vision Sox need it badly. I could not agree more. This franchise is sorely in need of that new vision you mentioned, a house cleaning, as you suggested, and an overall new strategy. What Reinsdorf has employed during the last 35 years just hasn't worked, it's left our fan base dormant, and completely wasted the potential of a big market ball club.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 21, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) SOS 2015 fans have seen this movie before PASS This would be the 30th time in Reinsdorf's 35 years as owner that we've seen this movie. Where is the criticism of and outrage against the horrific managing of this franchise by this guy!

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 21, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) Losing 7 of 8 to those to teams no wonder they are under .500. And might also explain how we've picked up where we left off last year, attendance-wise: third to last in all of baseball.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2015 -> 10:26 PM) Awful weather tonight didn't help Other teams draw on nights like this, fathom. Much better than us. We can't just blame the weather.

This continuously empty ballpark nonsense - brought on by continuously failing ownership - just must stop at some point. It is beyond ridiculous. Reinsdorf's horrible management of this franchise needs to either figure out a way to improve this situation, or bow out in favor of a group that can. But our ballpark game after game, season after season, being as empty as it is - completely unacceptable at this point. Time for our fan base to demand something better!

Quintana's record throughout his brief career with our Sox needs to stop being described as just "bad luck", but rather on the poor ensemble supporting him that, overall, has been unable to get the team to the postseason in recent years.

Hawk's said it about a million times over the past few years, but hot dang if he ain't right about this one: Quintana is not afraid to pitch out of a jam!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) This is what happens when even the examples given as to how the White Sox should be run, such as the Tigers, fall apart under closer examination. Oh don't worry. I would never in a million years suggest that the Oakland White Sox be run like the New York Tigers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) It is OK for me to answer the incessant complaints of people who don't want to look at the whole picture of a situation. Apparently you have a guilty conscious about it. Welcome to being on a message board. Public posts can, and sometimes will, draw responses. LOL - "guilty conscious". What kind of crazy talk is that. But to your point about about public posts drawing responses, sure, that's obvious. But also keep in mind that public posts that ridiculously and erroneously condemn a fan base for not blindly supporting a continuously mediocre-to-subpar sports product will also draw responses. I mean, talk about not looking at the whole picture.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Then Sox fans should expect a similar level of commitment from ownership. That is what I am saying. I guess I don't see it this way. I don't think this about commitment. I think it's about the ownership having a product to sell, and if we, the fans, i.e., the consumers, aren't buying it, whose fault is it? And what we are not buying is a team that hardly ever wins anything. I don't have to commit to Jerry Reinsdorf that I'll go sit in his stadium X number of times of year in the hopes that he'll somehow figure out a way to put a consistent winner on the field - which I remind you, he has miserably failed to do for the last 35 years. No, the onus is on him and his management team to put together a product that is worthy of greater support than the mediocre one that has typically been put forward.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) So basically the White Sox need to spend a five to seven year period as the best team in baseball to get fans to show up. That's my point exactly. Sox fans will always have an excuse. If they old ones don't work, they move the bar to a new one. Now Sox fans need a dyntasy type period to show up, as measly playoff births aren't good enough. Nah, I don't see why anyone would think Sox fans are fickle. Oh yes, these "fickle" fans, simply asking for a product worth coming out to support. The nerve! They should be satisfied with averaging a playoff appearance once every seven years (and a very brief one at that) as has been the average during Reinsdorf's 35 years at the helm of this organization, and just get their butts to the ballpark en masse. No excuses, say you, just support whatever collection of misfit toys the team of Reinsdorf/Williams/Hahn put on the field. Put up and shut up, you excuse-laden, fickle fans, you!! That is the message to you!!

QUOTE (shysocks @ May 13, 2015 -> 10:31 AM) Dear God people, why is this so difficult to understand? The idea is that another team in Chicago (which you brought up as one that sells out all the time despite ticket price, which I mentioned was because they have been extremely successful at the sport they play) saw attendance fall when their win % did, and then the opposite happened. I have stated that if the Sox won as consistently as the Chicago Blackhawks or Detroit Tigers, or even with a fraction of their consistency, their attendance would have gone up from 2011 to 2014, not down. I think that is an impossible claim to refute, but it's also unfortunately impossible to prove. It has nothing to do with stadium capacity, or number of teams allowed in the postseason, or anything like that. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) I literally lol'd at this statement. White Sox fans are the king of excuses. Your last two posts have quite literally been two long lists of excuses for fans. The White Sox were something like the second most winning team in the 90's and the 7th most winning team in the 2000's. The White Sox won 99 and 90 games in back to back seasons, attendance fell after the second year. The last time the White Sox were in the playoffs, attendance fell the next year. A few years back when the Sox spent all but 5 days of the season in first place, attendance fell. Tell me again about winning curing all? "Winning team" doesn't mean just counting the number of wins that our many second place finishes have garnered for us. Winning team means one that makes the playoffs. We did that only once in the '90s, and just twice in the last 15 years under the Reinsdorf/Wiliams/Hahn management team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) Hey great speech, now welcome back to reality. Reality is that the White Sox will always be limited by their fan base. It is the reason why our rebuild is rushed as soon as reasons for any optimism can be found. Even the Cubs after six years of perpetual sucktitude were outdrawing the White Sox by 12,000 a night. Even in 2006 after a World Series title we drew 3000 a night less than the Cubs. It gives them resources that the White Sox will never have. It allows them flexibility that the White Sox will never have. Even after a playoff year, and after a very near playoff year, attendance fell. If that is what being a non-fickle and not compromising fan is, then you should also have the intelligence to understand that this organization will always have a hand tied its back when compared to most of the rest of baseball. You can't have it both ways. It means periods of success will be shorter because they won't have the resources to hold the team together that others will. It means that recoveries will be shorter, and less robust, as they can't devote the time needed to full rebuilds that others can. It means there will be choices made between spending in the majors and in the minors because both can't be afforded. It isn't slamming fans. It is reality. Hey, great speech, now welcome back to the point I was trying to make. Let's try some sustained winning by this organization for a change and see if that doesn't help cure what ails us. We haven't seen it in our lifetimes, of course, but I believe it can and it will. The "reality" is our fan base responds remarkably well to winning. Just look at how that one year of real winning we had in '05 brought a waiting list for season tickets the following year, and almost three million fans through the turnstiles to boot. Nothing fickle or compromising about that. And I can only imagine what the attendance would have been like during the next three or four years subsequent had the team gone on a run and continued to win the division, like the Indians, Tigers, and Twins have somehow managed to do since the Central came into being. You start winning at that clip and then all of a sudden the park is routinely inhabited by 2.8, 2.9 million fans, just like in '06. And then all of these superficial arguments about hands being tied behind the back and lack of resources and irrelevantly comparing us to the Cubs go away. That mindset coming up with those excuses is completely borne of this lifelong lack of a winning culture of which I speak. Simply put - I want reality to be about more winning. Period. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

QUOTE (spiderman @ May 11, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Either the White Sox don't have enough fans to regularly fill the park, or they aren't good fans (insert excuse here for not attending games). I try to go 3 or 4 times a season, probably won't be out there until early June this year, but it's an tiring debate. I do think the front-office tries to win each season, and don't think they can rebuild with a fickle fan base, but I'm wondering, should this season go down the tubes, why not do a Cubs type rebuild? Fans don't show up either way. It is neither a fickle fan base nor one comprising fans that aren't good. It is a base of human beings essentially giving as good as they get. And for White Sox fans, unfortunately we just haven't gotten a product over the course of a very long time now worth supporting at a level that will fill our ballpark on a routine basis. Do you know that since the advent of the current divisional structure in the mid 90s, the Cleveland Indians have gone on a run where they won the Central division five times in a row? Or that the Detroit Tigers are on a current run of winning the division four times in a row? And the Minnesota Twins did it three years in a row? Even the once lowly Kansas City Royals - if they make it to the playoffs this year, that will leave only one team in the Central who hasn't made consecutive playoff appearances since 1995 - US!! The Chicago White Sox who, interestingly, are the only big market team of the bunch. I bring these comparisons forward to illustrate the kind of accomplishments our competitors are achieving but for which the Sox never get close to achieving. This is the root cause of the attendance problems - the lack of winning. And so this occasional slamming of the fans around here when talking about attendance is really, IMO, so very misguided. The team just hasn't won enough over the years to generate the kind of interest needed to draw well. Start winning, and you'll eventually start drawing. It's that simple.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) I would hope that after this season, the following are long gone from this organization: - Ventura - Bell - Cooper Cooper probably isn't bad at his job like the other two are, but I think it's time for a new voice with the pitching. Who's next on the Reinsdorf "No Experience But Loyal To The End" list to replace these guys?

QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 11, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) Now we done You were of that opinion several innings ago.

ADAM EATON - Right time, right place, right man, right NOW!!

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 11, 2015 -> 07:25 PM) Beckham will strike out here. Ah, ok.

Great throw by Flowers

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 10, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) This has the makings of a bad inning Just because the lead off hitter got on first base? Ok.....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) Yes. The front office needs to take advice from message board fans on how to run their billion dollar operation. LOL. Well, it looks like they need advice from somebody, now, doesn't it? Because if this "billion dollar organization" doesn't get its act together and find a way to make the playoffs this year, it'll mark the 13th time in 15 years under the "internal advice" provided by the Reinsdorf/Williams/Hahn brain trust configuration that they would have failed to do so. Dat is noooo good, Meester. No good at all!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 3, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) LOL. Choose to hold them "accountable". Yet here you are still talking about the team, watching games, etc. Yes, I am still talking about the Chicago White Sox and watching their games, etc. I was doing that before Jerry Reinsdorf & Co. bought the team, and I'll be doing so after their reign of ownership terror is over. In the meantime, as long as the results continue along the lines of what we are currently witnessing, I will continue to hold the Chairman ultimately responsible. I won't leave all the blame squarely at Ventura's feet or Kenny's, but rather at the Boss' himself.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 3, 2015 -> 04:37 PM) One playoff win in what's about to be 10 years. I try to be as rational as possible, but it's difficult for me to understand why any member of the White Sox front office/coaching staff etc actually deserves their job. It shouldn't be this hard to build a competitive team. Go cherry pick members from the Dodgers/A's/Cubs/Red Sox etc front office and give them time to actually build something. This is a f***ing disgrace. I know people are going to come on here and defend Hahn, and I too like the *idea* of Hahn. He's sabermetricly inclined. Seems to make rational decisions, and yet he's the same guy who pushed in his chips on a roster ALL available projection systems said was bad. He pushed in his chips on one of the worst teams in baseball to... make sure they were still one of the worst teams in baseball. Hahn has been heavily involved in the White Sox decision making process for over a decade. So has Kenny Williams. It's time for them to go. Although with Reinsdorf as the owner, that's nothing more than a pipe dream. /endrant Nothing changes until the Sox are sold. Because with this current ownership group, you will not get a movement to, as you shrewdly suggest, "cherry pick...(superior) front office (execs from other teams) to actually build something (representing a sustainable winning Chicago White Sox organization)." No, the approach with Reinsdorf to building a front office and in-game management team continues to be borne of favoritism and loyalty, and favoritism and loyalty only. How else do you either explain the continued employment of people like Williams, Boyer, Pizer, etc in the front office, or the hiring of Ventura, Baines, and Boston in the dugout? I mean, Ventura is the prime example of all of this. He was hired to be the manager of a Major League Baseball team with ZERO managing experience, and he wasn't even in the damn game at the time. Ah, but he was a personal favorite of the Chairman, so that trumped hiring someone like Dave Martinez, who was actually in a dugout for many years learning from someone like Joe Maddon. So firing Robin makes sense, but does it when the next manager is just another Reinsdorf favorite with no experience like Jim Thome, for example. No, it does not. It's really frustrating that we, the fans, continue to suffer from such poor decision making. If the Sox do not make it to the postseason yet again this year, that will represent the 30th time in Reinsdorf's 35 years as owner that they haven't. It's an abysmal record of futility and I, for one, choose to hold Reinsdorf accountable for the continued mess he and his management team deliver to our fan base. I truly do look forward to the day, whenever that is, when we wake up and hear that the team was sold. The idea of a fresh new ownership with different ideas and approaches on how to guide this team that operates in the third largest market to success will be warmly received and embraced. Anything different than what's been peddled these past 35 years, I'll take it. Got nothing to lose at this point.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 3, 2015 -> 03:12 PM) Are you kidding? Dude just shelled out over $100 million to improve this s***box team and you think he doesn't care to win? I don't know if Reinsdorf cares about winning or not. All I know is that he doesn't win. If the Sox do not make the postseason again this year, that will mark 30 of the 35 seasons during which Reinsdorf has owned the team that they haven't made it to the playoffs, and with it no semblance of a winning culture built whatsoever. The futility has been sickening. For me, it's going to take far more than just replacing Ventura to turn this thing around. All we'd likely get as a replacement is another guy Reinsdorf either loves or is loyal to. That seems to be a higher priority than hiring the best baseball man for the job. No, what this organization and fan base so desperately needs is new ownership and a completely new and fresh vision from the top. Otherwise, it's just going to continue to be more of the same of what we've seen the past three and a half decades from the current ownership and management team - losing.