Thad Bosley

Seems a major market team like the Chicago White Sox ought to be able to negotiate a major market TV deal.

Lol - ohhhhh, I think we can safely say "jobs riding on team performance" isn't the case with this particular owner. Williams and Hahn have been 1-2/2-1 atop the White Sox front office for 18 years now. If you take the one clear outlier year (2005) out of the mix and look at the other 17 years they've been at the helm of this thing, you'll see just one trip to the postseason in those 17 years. Just one, and that year they needed 163 games to just barely squeak into the playoffs. And then of course the playoff appearance was ever so brief, with only four games played and only one game won. That's the performance those two have rendered for 17 of their 18 years as the men in charge. As has been mentioned on this board many times, such futility would have cost them their jobs a long time ago. But not with this owner for some reason. Maybe they laugh at all of his jokes so he likes to keep them around for that. Who knows? How else can you explain their continued employment in their current roles.

The White Sox are NEVER losing money, and there is ALWAYS a huge profit. How/why? BECAUSE OF THE SWEETHEART LEASE DEAL THAT GUARANTEES THEM A HUGE PROFIT MARGIN EACH AND EVERY YEAR. It's a forgotten fact but a very salient one to this discussion.

That is very true. They deserve so much more, if for nothing else than continuing to hang in there despite only witnessing four Sox postseason games (and just one postseason win) in the 13 years since 2005. That is some kind of commitment from those who frequent this message board, despite the team’s ongoing futility, and especially in light of the team being at rock bottom as we speak.

+1

If you haven’t noticed, the owner does not redirect his enormous state-subsidized profits to “big fish FA”.

LOL - well, thank goodness you are happy and content with the results of the last four decades to help balance out that bitterness and grudginess of the more serious fans out there!

Nothing screams the state of White Sox baseball these days than someone directing people away from Sox baseball rather than to it to attain “happiness” and “escape”.

Whoever the next owner of this organization is (and there has to be several people or groups out there who consider themselves to be the possible successor to the current regime), he/she/they must be chomping at the bit to come in and turn this mess of a franchise around.

Willie Stargell, a Hall of Famer, was a lousy defensive first baseman who, over a 162 game average in his career, hit .282 with 33 homers and 106 RBIs. Jose Abreu's current average over 162 games is a .300 batting average with 32 dingers and 107 RBIs. Obviously Stargell played in the Majors a lot longer than Jose has or will, but it seems like their style of play is similar, and last I looked, a Hall of Famer was considered "elite". So I think it's fair to say Jose is significantly above that of just a "decent player".

The White Sox were not “dominated” in this “huge” market in 1981/1982, at the time when the current owners took control of the Sox and Tribune Company took control of the Cubs. The latter quickly learned how to take advantage of the “huge” market in which they played and tapped into its potential almost immediately, while the former did not, and 38 long years later, still have not.

If we have a “middle sized fan base”, it’s because in 57 of the 58 years since the World Series appearance in ‘59 (outside of 2005), this fan base has witnessed all of FOUR postseason victories. FOUR postseason victories over a 57 year period. Contrast that with the FOUR postseason wins the Cubs fan base got to enjoy in less than a two week period last October, and then get back to me with what a horrible fan base we have that you love to bash all the time.

I am drawing from the same set of “facts” as is Steve Stone, who happens to be very close to the owner, so your tired bitterness argument doesn’t hold water.

Goodness, you can be such the broken record sometimes, with your gratuitous fan bashing and your nonsensical insistence that the CHICAGO White Sox are a middle market team. As it relates to the latter, Steve Stone would probably direct your stubborn attention to ye olde “sweetheart lease deal”, whereby if you were so inclined to focus on its contents, you’d realize this team is guaranteed “major market” revenue streams through very generous subsidies each and every year, whether there are 30,000 fans in the park each night or 964. So you can choose to keep your head in the sand on this subject and keep presenting this erroneous point of view, or take the lead of the very knowledgeable Steve Stone and recognize the obvious, which is the FACT that the White Sox are clearly a “major market” team.

I don’t think Steve Stone has an “agenda”.

Far more credible than the words of an ill-informed internet message board administrator, wouldn't you say?

Steve Stone said on WGN radio just last week that the Sox are a "major market team". Which stands to reason, given that they reside in the major market known as "Chicago".

Which two teams in our lifetime could possibly be worse than this 2018 team, outside of maybe, just maybe, the 1970 team? And even they managed to win 56 games, which at the moment seems like it's going to take a Herculean effort for this current team to even win that many.

That is some kind of progress report for the team with the longest tenured owner AND a 1-2 management team now in their 18th year of running this baseball operation. They are now able, after all of this time, to “ID talent”. Baby steps. Progress has a new address, located at the offices of 35th & Shields.

Prospect bust rate = 70%

Well, they're certainly not asking him to bunt less, but if they are, they clearly have one insubordinate employee on their hands.

Is it "Renteria's" bunting proclivity, or is it part of the organization's overall offense philosophy? This is the second year now that Ricky has been inundating us with all of this bunting. so obviously no one in the front office is telling him to cease and desist with the approach.

The point is of course you can judge Hahn on the results of the past six years, the past six years of arguably as bad a stretch of White Sox baseball as there has been in the team's entire history. I don't know if you noticed, but he has been the GM during that entire time, so who the hell else do you judge for the dismal results? If you want to spread the blame equally across Williams and the owner, sure, go ahead. But don't make ridiculous claims that the main architect of each of those ball clubs from 2013 to the present is somehow not to blame for all of the losing we've witnessed over this period of time.

Are these strengths of the White Sox organization, too?

Just throw Cano over there in the bin with Sosa, McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro, et al