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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 11, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) Jake: Just my opinion but 2005 was a fluke. Also just my opinion, if the Sox went into a full rebuild mode and lost revenue I don't honestly think that would make much of an impact. I assume you are talking about attendance. With the revenue streams MLB now has, paid attendance isn't that big of a deal. It certainly has a place and it's very nice to have but I don't think it's 'make or break' anymore...not like back say in the 1940's before TV hit it big. Mark You are 100% correct, and there is historical precedence to support this. The Sox went into full rebuild mode back during '87, '88', and '89 under the capable leadership then of Larry Himes. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. That guy came in and whipped the farm system into shape, and shrewdly traded away vets to bring in other young players that put the Sox in 1990 in position to go on a nice five year run at the time. Problem is Jerry Reinsdorf replaced Himes with Ron Schueler, who simply didn't get the job done of getting the team from "point B to point C", but that's another story. What's relevant here is that this beleaguered fan base has, in fact, lived through a full rebuild once before, and it can certainly do so again. At least with a rebuild it might be clearer to the fans that there's actually a real plan in place to develop something capable of sustainable success. The crap plans employed in recent years have been anything but.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 03:27 PM) The Sox aren't trading Quintana in the middle of a playoff race The Sox aren't in the middle of anything. They are on the outer bounds periphery of the race for the second wild card playoff spot. 4 1/2 games behind four teams currently constructed better than the Sox, and tied with the defending World Series champions competing for that same spot. Better Hahn & Co. be thinking about converting Quintana into the likes of a Yoan Mancada or Jurickson Profar while they can.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Tim Anderson! He is just a joy to watch.

The high profile exposure of being an All Star certainly couldn't hurt his trade value at the end of the month.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) And 2 of those teams have done the only thing that matters which is win a world series. Neither of them is the Indians. And one of them was put together by our current management team that is in place. There's no argument the Sox were far more successful in one of their three playoff appearances since the inception of the current division structure than the Indians and Twins were in their 14 combined appearances during that same time frame. But that wasn't the point I was making. The more overarching observation was that the small market teams in the division have won the division five times as often as the large market Chicago White Sox have. That's kind of embarrassing. And the "current management team that is in place" that you reference has only built teams that have won the division in just two of their 15 years now being at this thing. Not exactly an eye popping record of achievement.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 06:23 AM) That ain't gonna happen until JR is gone. Time to face reality. The reality is that in this the 22nd year of the existence of the AL Central, with small market Cleveland well on its way to wining this division for the eighth time, you combine that with how many times the other two small market teams have won the division, and you'll see that the large market White Sox, with its resources advantage, has been aced a whopping 15 times by a small market team over that 22 year period. 15 division titles between Cleveland, Minnesota, and KC, and just three for the Sox. This despite the Sox being the only team in the bunch with a sweetheart lease deal in place that allows them to keep far more of its revenues than those other teams can. It's clear what those other teams lack in $$$ resources they make up for in superior front office capital running those organizations. So yes, the reality is more of the same until that time when a change at the top finally occurs.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) You should just have a canned reponse to all post "JR sucks and will not allow this team to be good." ptatc, there isn't anyone who would disagree with your assertion here that "JR sucks". At least as an owner of a MLB franchise goes from a fan's perspective. You are absolutely right - he's been a complete disaster in that regard.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 09:17 AM) How does a 1 year, $3 million signing qualify as one of the worst? I mean I get the guy sucked at all, but it had so little impact on the franchise he was released long before the end of the season. How can this have "so little impact" on an organization you always *claim* operates under very limited resources?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 09:03 AM) Development of a prospect is a large part psychological in all sports. Many failed athletes have the physical talent but being able to handle the mental aspect may make or break them. This is especially true in baseball where failure is more part of the game than any other sport. The mental adjustment is key to success. For some it comes easily for other, not so much. In Beckham s case the league adjusted to what he was doing early on and he could never make the subsequent adjustment. I always thought Beckham's progress was somewhat thwarted by all of the muscle he put on after he had been called up. In 2009 when he first came up and had the success he had that season, he was far less muscular than he started to be in subsequent seasons. Whatever workout regimens he was on during the offseasons after 2009 led him to put a lot of bulk on his frame, and I always wondered if that somehow negatively impacted his swing, as in, maybe slowing it down. I don't know. Just seemed like all of the muscle didn't serve him well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) Exactly what I expected. Of course you did.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:31 PM) The scary thing is that I think you actually believe somehow obsessing over and over again about how bad the franchise is isn't negative. What's scary is you constantly pointing out what you consider to be other's negativity yet not acknowledging the volume of your own around here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:32 PM) I will if I don't have to read you replying repeated about how bad things are for the White Sox in every reply you make. Very false statement, and shame on you for making it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:28 PM) There is absolutely a difference between posting patterns when the team is losing, losing big, and winning. Threads are always WAY longer when the team is losing, and biggest of all when losing big. If you don't believe me, then yes, ignorance is the answer. Lead by example - stop whining and moaning about all of this and talk up this rather nice 5-0 lead we have going on here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) Bitter much? I believe you are, based on all of your negativity.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) In the playoff hunt about to win their 5th series in a row. Just horrible. Ah yes, the playoff hunt. With a handful of teams currently ahead of us for the second wildcard playoff spot. Can't imagine why the Cell isn't completely enveloped in pennant fever right now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) Thread sizes and who is in them speaks for itself. Reflecting where the Sox are in the grand scheme of things once again this summer.

Seven innings, very strong appearance for Miguel: no runs, only five hits, one walk through seven innings. Take that every time!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) The Sox aren't losing. Bitter much?

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) Why so few people on the forum tonight? It's a matter of results. Third place team not competing for the division title, and on the periphery for contention of the second Wild Card spot, which is not that exciting to follow in July.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) I think everyone does from time to time. Some people just do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Ugh - tell me about it!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Buster said that the White Sox should listen because Dombrowski will overpay with the pressure on Boston to win. He did say that he wouldn't necessarily trade him though. He mentioned Moncada and Benintendi. Boy, if you could land both of those guys for Quintana, I don't know how you pass that up. The more you read about Moncada, it looks like he is on his way to superstardom. He's a top ten player on just about every top prospect list out there. Huge offensive potential which, the last I looked, that was an attribute sorely missing with the Sox for some time now. The other guy, Benintendi, is also a blue chip prospect with vast offensive potential. You add both of those guys to an offensive core featuring Abreu, Eaton, and now Anderson as well, and that's not looking too shabby from a long term perspective. And then there's Zach Collins looming in the not so distant future, too. So I don't know. Trading Quintana obviously signals a different direction than it would appear the Sox want to go. But maybe in a couple of weeks facts on the ground will dictate a different path they made need to travel.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) No, I think you missed my point. Fans that criticize irrationally are irrational. It really is that straight forward. When you purposefully chose to ignore anything good, in favor of everything bad, and even get to the point of pointing to a single game just because you were at it as being more important evidence than everything else... yes I would call that irrational. Of course in this case you point at Albers. Why? Because he has been awful, which fits your rant. But the rest of the pen which is pitching to expectations, or above them right now? Crickets. Not Duke, not Robertson, not Jones, not Jennings... But Albers. Apparently hyperfocusing on one middle reliever over the whole package is looking "realistically" at a bullpen? Um, OK. Sure, you go with that. So at those moments when you yourself "criticize irrationally", which you do from time to time, you would self-assess yourself as "irrational"? I mean, I would presume you are not exempting yourself from this statement.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) C'mon, use some common sense…. If a guy has 10 AB's and gets 10 hits… he's batting 1.000.. if he then goes 20 AB's and gets 0 hits… even though he has exhibited terrible batsmanship during the last stretch of performance.. he's batting .300.. which normally is pretty good.. except it doesn't reflect the fact the current state of his performance, as it stands.... is a 000 average… pretty bad… On larger scale, lets' look at this example.. Kenny Williams was the GM when the Sox won the World Series in 05, but in the meantime.. one playoff appearance over going on 11 yrs, despite the fact that the playoffs have been expanded… understood, he hasn't been the GM over this entire stretch, but HE"S THE GM"S SUPERIOR Now, the apologists, as yourself.. stand fast in their believe that KW and the organization gets a break, and all the benefit of the doubt… And the only thing the whiny Sox fans want to do is focus on lackluster showing by the franchise over the past decade, instead of focusing on 2005 Thankfully you're just some dude spouting an opinion on an internet board, cause if you were the GM you'd have Estaban Loaiza signed cause he was 21-9 in 2003… because, hey, we should focus on the state and performance of a player.. when they looked good... So just so you know, when you dare to look back in time and point out the history of futility of the ballclub, be it either short term futility (last five years, eleven years) or long term futility (35 years), condemnation will be reigned upon you by SS2K5 fast and furious. He doesn't like that to be mentioned, and he will call you "bitter" for doing so. He just doesn't find it appropriate on a White Sox message board to express disappointment in the club's performance when it's been subpar. 'Sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows everywhere' is the only thing he has an appetite for. So just be careful is all I'm saying. I've been down this path before and have the battle scars to prove it!!

Silence is a powerful communication skill. I've always thought Hawk's employment of silence at certain key points in the game where the very obvious actions on the field tell the story themselves to be quite effective and appropriate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) No therefore I don't criticize. the Sox scouts led by Paddy and Hostetller don't go by BA rankings. They do their own. You are moaning just to moan. Actually, there was no moaning until you arrived in the discussion and brought the quality of the discourse way down by beginning to do so. That is your M-O around here - whining and moaning about one thing after another. It never ends with you (see hundreds and hundreds of threads with you whining and moaning about all things Caufield). You might want to look into curbing that behavior. Meanwhile, one wonders which players teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, and the others sitting it out this year, which players they would have gone after. Answer - the ones on those top lists from BA, Fangraphs, etc. They would have gobbled those players up faster than Grant took Richmond. It's what they do year after year after year. But now in a year when none of those heavy hitters are in the mix to compete, you're telling us that Paddy and Hostetler are so much smarter than everybody else, that bypassing everyone on those top lists is somehow a sound, sage strategy. I suppose you reached that conclusion based on the routine success we've seen from Paddy since he took over his position six years ago. System is flush with international talent he's scouted and convinced to sign with the organization. Wait - no it's not.